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Grudge wrote:

Geebs wrote:Possibly true in Colombia

yeah, it happened once, in Colombia, it's not like it happens all the time

yeah, only rioting.

Zimbo wrote:OG Loc - Straight from Tha Streetz.mp3

Tone Loc's son?

+JuggerNaut+ wrote:

Zimbo wrote:OG Loc - Straight from Tha Streetz.mp3

Tone Loc's son?

gta:sa

yes that's a game alright.

SplishSplash wrote:I think most rappers, including 50 cent, are well aware of the irony in their act.

I wouldn't give most of them that much credit, most of them are idiots. 50 Cent is particularly retarded.

Black "culture" in America.

[xeno]Julios wrote:wtf - not only is the music, the lyrics, and the voice terrible - but wtf - is this a common theme in today's mainstream hiphop?

Please don't confuse rap and hip-hop. 50 cent is no Hip-Hop artist. It wouldn't be a stretch to declare someone like Dre a Hop-Hop artist but 50 falls well outside of that definition.

ctrlnuke wrote:Of course most of the mainstream music is shit because most music is shit. Period. But judging all mainstream music as shit as akin to judging all independent music as shit as well.
Listen to it all. Take what you like - politics aside.

Some wisdom there.

Rap generally sucks. Hip-hop is ok, and I still dig some MF Doom occasionally. But I always prefered the west-coast electro stuff anyway.... probably because its old skool, analogue, and just downright funky.

Electro boooooogieeeeee forever.

50 cent and his crap shit used to get played at school all the time. I'm not much of a rap and hip-hop fan anyway, but his stuff is complete shit compared to what we used to get from better artists.

Lol, I would comment on this thread but there's a mass disco record burning I need to go to.....

Rap sucks and you're all fags.

Anyone who listens to mainstream rap for the lyrics is fucking retarded. I'm sorry...

Define "mainstream". If you go back and listen to people like Ice Cube (who I would consider mainstream) you get a pretty deep insight into the black community following the Rodney King incident, LA riots, etc. The problem isn't whether or not an artist is mainstream and therefore a sellout... You sound like an angry Marlyn Manson fan still angry over them "selling out."

Marilyn Manson isn't a rapper and I think his newer albums are actually some of his best.

People take what I say way to fucking litterally. I wasn't talking about people selling out, I was talking about the shit that MTV, clubs and radio stations always play being retarded.

Whether or not Manson is a rapper is entirely irrelevant...

So mainstream Manson is good and mainstream 50 Cent isn't? Maybe it's just a case of you either not liking black people or not being able to ignore someone's success because you don't like their music. Someone always has to be a critic, but when you try to pull it into a battle between evil "mainstream" and good everything else you join every poor goth who ever cried about losing their pale faced messiah to MTV.

Dave wrote:Maybe it's just a case of you either not liking black people

Dude, you didn't need to go there.

Foo wrote:

Dave wrote:Maybe it's just a case of you either not liking black people

Dude, you didn't need to go there.

Mate, it's arrived! This post also has nothing to do with this thread!

Dave wrote:Whether or not Manson is a rapper is entirely irrelevant...

So mainstream Manson is good and mainstream 50 Cent isn't? Maybe it's just a case of you either not liking black people or not being able to ignore someone's success because you don't like their music. Someone always has to be a critic, but when you try to pull it into a battle between evil "mainstream" and good everything else you join every poor goth who ever cried about losing their pale faced messiah to MTV.

You're either trolling me or need to reread my post.

Foo wrote:

Dave wrote:Maybe it's just a case of you either not liking black people

Dude, you didn't need to go there.

bitWISE wrote:

Dave wrote:Whether or not Manson is a rapper is entirely irrelevant...

So mainstream Manson is good and mainstream 50 Cent isn't? Maybe it's just a case of you either not liking black people or not being able to ignore someone's success because you don't like their music. Someone always has to be a critic, but when you try to pull it into a battle between evil "mainstream" and good everything else you join every poor goth who ever cried about losing their pale faced messiah to MTV.

You're either trolling me or need to reread my post.

both

SplishSplash wrote:Feel free to express how you feel about getting old.

50 cent is sadly one of the top-grossing hip-hop "artists" of the decade.

The main problem I have with the "mainstream" is that many "artists" tend to be record company creations, meaning that they are a part of an industrial top-down process which as it's chief goal has to make as much money for the company executives as possible. That usually means hiring professional songwriters and good-looking "artists" to perform the songs and who only do what they're told by the record company, combined with spending lots of $$$ on PR and advertising.

I, on the other hand see music as a bottom-up artistic activity, where the songwriter writes his or her songs because they have something to say and are passionate about it. In this case the commercial aspect is a by-product of the artistry.

By having the industrial approach, you simply disguise an ordinary industrial product, comparable to shampoo or candy bars, as something artistic, which is in a way to cheat the consumers. On the other hand, I do believe that if there is a market you have every right to exploit it, but the sad thing is that many people can't distinguish between real music and spoonfed commercial crap, which is why the big record companies continue to flourish.

Shit, that sounded pretty elitist, but I guess I'm simply an elitist bastard.

nice post grudge

what really disturbs me about this whole gangsta ethos is the behavioural models it offers to people.

If you immerse yourself enough in this genre, and you have an adoration or respect for its heroes, it seems likely that you'll start to behave in a similar manner (especially for kids).

For example, if you get into an argument with someone, you may start using the same verbal and body language as you see your heroes using - call it a cognitive script which you adopt.

If that doesn't resolve the argument, you may resort to punches or worse.


just a hypothesis based on my own observations, reflections, and understanding of cognitive science.