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Post by **Tormentius** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 1:19 am

KO wrote:Tormentius, you need to realise, sure we will get lower framerates, but when only one out of twenty people can run the game.. its player base crashes. Also a fast FPS game such Quake requires a constant bare minimum of 50fps.

Players didn't have top framerates when Q3 was released and nobody needs to have them now (although it is nice to have without a doubt). But even if your system sucks with the new lighting options and other tweaks available you should be able to get at least 50fps.

Post by KO » Wed Aug 02, 2006 2:13 am

Its 2006 not 1995.

Post by **Tormentius** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 4:16 am

KO wrote:Its 2006 not 1995.

And your point is what? Game engines still push the limits of current hardware so you can't expect top performance from lower end hardware (just like back in the day).

:icon27:

Post by **zolborg** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 5:07 am

Foo wrote:
Tormentius wrote:
Foo wrote:Wow. We've been over this ground a million times.

Q3 is indeed a 9yr old game, yet still superior to Q4 in terms of multiplayer quality.

We should be moving forwards not trying to catch up to where we were.
A new game written by different company with different staff on a completely different engine which is far more resource intensive isn't going to be the same as a highly polished and patched game from years before. If you know the first thing about development and project management you should know this.
Frankly not interested. It wasn't true of UT2004 or 2003 after UT. Nor was it true of HL2 or CS:S.

Who really gives a fuck about UT? UT's graphics are good but the game sucks big time.

Post by **dzjepp** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 7:16 am

Post by **MKJ** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 7:52 am

KO wrote:Its 2006 not 1995.

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Post by **Foo** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 11:02 am

zolborg wrote:Who really gives a fuck about UT? UT's graphics are good but the game sucks big time.

It matters because it's a directly comparable peer to the quake series. Preference between one or the other is irrelevant to the comparison being made.

I'm starting to understand why some of you are struggling to see why Q4 was such an utter failure, given you can't grasp very basic comparison and analysis.

Post by **4days** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 11:16 am

had a quick go on deadzone. the name is stupid but the game is pretty cool. haven't seen that buymode thing yet, not too keen on the sound of it tbh.

my mouse seems to be fucked in quake 4 and i couldn't be bothered to read up on fixing it, so i just stuck to the gauntlet until i could get the napalm - it was a very good weapon to use (especially when you can't aim quickly), but i was never on the receiving end of it to know what the damage was like. most of the other players on the server were much better than me, and that was amplified by my mouse troubles, but i was still able to control the napalm for very long stretches - which makes me think it might be too powerful?

i like the gauntlet in q4, the contact feels a little more satisfying than q3's. will have have another go later when i've got time to do the prerequisite research/tweaking, but starting to give up on q4

will hang onto it in case any interesting mods come out.

Post by KO » Wed Aug 02, 2006 3:38 pm

Tormentius wrote:And your point is?

Evolution, we've had 125fps for years, we no longer play on 56k modems on flakey servers, using 100dpi mice, looking at a 50hz 15" 400x400 monitor. Today it has to be smooth.. especially for fast FPS. Otherwise is looks and feels worse than ever before.

Post by **GODLIKE** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 4:47 pm

(I almost read this entire thread? And then my head started to hurt. I realized I was actually getting dumber, reading this. So I'm going to stop.)

Post by **Tormentius** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 4:55 pm

KO wrote:
Evolution, we've had 125fps for years, we no longer play on 56k modems on flakey servers, using 100dpi mice, looking at a 50hz 15" 400x400 monitor. Today it has to be smooth.. especially for fast FPS. Otherwise is looks and feels worse than ever before.

What you're saying is that you're used to playing on an old game engine at top performance with hardware more than up to the task but you're sniveling because a new game doesn't give you the same performance on your (probably dated) hardware. Suck it up and upgrade or tweak your system. Its not like the options aren't available.

Post by **Tormentius** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 4:57 pm

Foo wrote:
I'm starting to understand why some of you are struggling to see why Q4 was such an utter failure, given you can't grasp very basic comparison and analysis.

Other people just happen to disagree with it being a failure you pedantic little twat.

Post by **Foo** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 5:21 pm

Didn't you recently go off one one and practically get me banned for flaming in T&T? I got vague recollections of you stickying and editing some of my posts to boot.

The least you could do is be consistent.

Post by **Tormentius** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 5:24 pm

First, you weren't banned for flaming in T&T you were banned for being an ass after both raw and I told you to drop it.

Second, this isn't T&T and I'm not a mod here. Riddla is free to delete any posts he finds offensive.

Post by **pjw** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 5:26 pm

This is a fun thread.
It makes me want to dance.

Post by **GODLIKE** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 5:27 pm

lol. Okay.. Better. :icon31:

Post by **Foo** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 5:32 pm

Tormentius wrote:First, you weren't banned for flaming in T&T you were banned for being an ass after both raw and I told you to drop it.

Second, this isn't T&T and I'm not a mod here. Riddla is free to delete any posts he finds offensive.

I ain got time for your excuses cause I'm eating... It'd be good for you to come down off the blind fanboy defence routine into the world of backing stuff up with points, and accepting other people's points where appropriately backed up without spiralling off into name-calling. Self control is a useful ability, especially for stopping yourself looking silly.

You're gonna be doing more harm for the game than helping it along in any way if you're more interested in forcing your own viewpoint through irrespective of all evidence, than people who can bring the problems to the table, isolate them, and if not help this game along any then certainly provide a roadmap of things that went wrong for future developments to bear in mind.

Post by **Foo** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 5:37 pm

And yeah, I know....

If it gets beyond you, I'm pedantic

If I bring another game in as a comparison, that game's 'shit'

If I bring in the previous games in the series, I'm a fanboy who'd never be pleased.

I think that about covers it.

Post by **pjw** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 5:40 pm

I'm through dancing; now it's time for some yummy watermelon.

Post by **Tormentius** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 5:45 pm

Foo wrote:

I ain got time for your excuses cause I'm eating... It'd be good for you to come down off the blind fanboy defence routine into the world of backing stuff up with points, and accepting other people's points where appropriately backed up without spiralling off into name-calling. Self control is a useful ability, especially for stopping yourself looking silly. You're gonna be doing more harm for the game than helping it along in any way if you're more interested in forcing your own viewpoint through irrespective of all evidence, than people who can bring the problems to the table, isolate them, and if not help this game along any then certainly provide a roadmap of things that went wrong for future developments to bear in mind.

You obviously just found the time :icon27:. Its not a blind fanboy defense but rather a comment on the mentality of the rather vocal minority of players who have shite hardware or badly tuned systems and expect top performance. If you don't like it then either ignore it or disagree but don't expect me to not post a counter-opinion when those people are whining.

Post by **Tormentius** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 5:56 pm

riddla wrote:I dont expect top performance, the game just plain sucks ass merely from a feature-set pov. Gameplay really sucks as well. The engine is shit as well, so I dont even have much hope for ET:QW either.

Fair enough. My comment wasn't directed towards anyone who just plain out doesn't like the game.

Post by **Foo** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 6:03 pm

Tormentius wrote:Its not a blind fanboy defense but rather a comment on the mentality of the rather vocal minority of players who have shite hardware or badly tuned systems and expect top performance.

That's a completely different thread of conversation to the one where you started replying to me.

Post by **Tormentius** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 6:09 pm

Foo wrote:
That's a completely different thread of conversation to the one where you started replying to me.

Are you talking about my point that the game will take time and multiple patches to reach the level of polish that Q3 has? That point still stands but congratulations, you managed to clue in to the fact that I made more than one point in a thread.

Post by **4days** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 6:12 pm

pjw wrote:I'm through dancing; now it's time for some yummy watermelon.

ffs, that made me jump

Post by **prince1000** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 6:18 pm

Tormentius wrote:
Foo wrote:

I ain got time for your excuses cause I'm eating... It'd be good for you to come down off the blind fanboy defence routine into the world of backing stuff up with points, and accepting other people's points where appropriately backed up without spiralling off into name-calling. Self control is a useful ability, especially for stopping yourself looking silly. You're gonna be doing more harm for the game than helping it along in any way if you're more interested in forcing your own viewpoint through irrespective of all evidence, than people who can bring the problems to the table, isolate them, and if not help this game along any then certainly provide a roadmap of things that went wrong for future developments to bear in mind.
You obviously just found the time :icon27:. Its not a blind fanboy defense but rather a comment on the mentality of the rather vocal minority of players who have shite hardware or badly tuned systems and expect top performance. If you don't like it then either ignore it or disagree but don't expect me to not post a counter-opinion when those people are whining.

it is not only hardware limitations that makes this game unplayable for so many people. personally, i can only duel/2v2 in q4max but i get solid 50+ fps with a really tweaked cfg. there's so many inherent things wrong with gameplay. compounded with sound issues, mouse issues, netcode issues and total lack of interest as a whole community (even 'pros' DREAD practicing this game) this game just isn't fun for a lot of people. fyi, there are plenty of people that have upgraded and know their way around a config and their computer that are experiencing the same technical issues i do on my outdated, q3-era xp2400/9600XT.

that's not to say ill never upgrade or play q4. if a year/6 months/next week from now the game is improved and people actually start playing then sure ill play it. the game is no longer on a lot of people's hdd's given it's current state.