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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 9:52 am
by bag0shite
horton wrote:Ayrton described in detail an odd feeling that he got during his qualifying laps.
His experience when qualifying for the 1988 Monaco GP for example he described as being in a tunnel or dream like state:
"..the last qualifying session. I was already on pole, then by half a second and then one second and I just kept going.
Suddenly I was nearly two seconds faster than anybody else, including my team mate with the same car.
And suddenly I realised that I was no longer driving the car consciously. I was driving it by a kind of instinct, only I was in a different dimension.
It was like I was in a tunnel. Not only the tunnel under the hotel but the whole circuit was a tunnel.
I was just going and going, more and more and more and more. I was way over the limit but still able to find even more.
"Then suddenly something just kicked me.
I kind of woke up and realised that I was in a different atmosphere than you normally are.
My immediate reaction was to back off, slow down.
I drove slowly back to the pits and I didn't want to go out any more that day.
It frightened me because I was well beyond my conscious understanding.
It happens rarely but I keep these experiences very much alive inside me because it is something that is important for self-preservation."
I can understand that, being so on it that everything else is secondary and you just do it rather than thinking about doing it.
Senna is the best driver I've watched, followed by Mansell. Schumacher is pure determination first then driving skill, and without that determination he wouldn't have been anywhere near as successful. Schumacher knows what he wants then gathers the resources and skills to get it. Senna, and to a lesser extent Mansell, were about driving skill and being able to push the envelope without fear.
I've never rated Raikkonen that high to be honest, not a patch on Hakkinen. Alonso's a good driver and if the McLaren is near on-par with the Ferrari he can win titles.
Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 10:39 am
by Dave
Captain Mazda wrote:Thanks for the memories Mikey
I have to agree with the others, man.. it's funny. My first reaction to the pic before I saw the replies and the hat was "HEY LOOK IT"S HITLER!1"
Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 11:05 am
by Captain
I chuckled, it's just too bad that the things we've known for years are coming to an end
Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 11:25 am
by +JuggerNaut+
haha bunch of fucking haters. and Watson, i hate to say it, but your post if full of shit.
Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 12:11 pm
by horton
bag0shite wrote:
Senna is the best driver I've watched, followed by Mansell. Schumacher is pure determination first then driving skill, and without that determination he wouldn't have been anywhere near as successful. Schumacher knows what he wants then gathers the resources and skills to get it. Senna, and to a lesser extent Mansell, were about driving skill and being able to push the envelope without fear.
I wish I could say Mansell was a great driver, but despite him being great to watch (he would crash or win) and Mansell being English like me, there is no way I could put him above Schumi.
Mansell had balls the size of a small moon, he had confidence to know he was the best in the world (even when he wasnt) and he had his moments.
1. Senna
2. Schumi
3= Prost
3= Mansell
Senna and Schumi were the complete package. balls, racing brain, quick in all conditions and aggresive.
Neither Prost nor Mansell had the basic ability of either Senna or Schumi.
Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 12:22 pm
by Captain
I still say Schumacher would be already forgotten if he was stuck with a team like Sauber or Minardi. True, he started his career with a year driving for Jordan and '91-'95 with Benetton, but driving the best car for the best team in the sport for 2/3 of your career sure helps out in being acknowledged and successful :icon14:
Suffice to say, he took advantage and became who he is today. GG Schumi.
Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 1:48 pm
by horton
he only got to drive for benneton, cos he was that damn good.
he should have been with jordan, but benetton fucked about to get him out of his contract with jordan.
shit drivers dont get to drive decent cars. (coulthard excluded)
Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 1:58 pm
by +JuggerNaut+
Captain Mazda wrote:I still say Schumacher would be already forgotten if he was stuck with a team like Sauber or Minardi. True, he started his career with a year driving for Jordan and '91-'95 with Benetton, but driving the best car for the best team in the sport for 2/3 of your career sure helps out in being acknowledged and successful :icon14:
Suffice to say, he took advantage and became who he is today. GG Schumi.
uh, HE and Jean Todt turned that team around. i don't think you're looking at this correctly. ANY team he would have driven for would be a better team because of his level of commitment and collaboration.
next.
Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 2:42 pm
by Eraser
People say he's had the best car, the best team, blah blah blah, but in the end, if Schumacher wasn't an incredible driver he wouldn't have won so many titles, best car or not.
Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:05 pm
by losCHUNK
meh, imo he joined just as ferrari were getting in there stride... he left a decent car and team then, for a few seasons, had his ass handed to him and after the aerodynamics completely changed ferrari were back in, pushing aside renault and mclaren
good driver but completely over rated imo
i mean eddie irvine nearly won a season using nothing more than a ferrari
Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:30 pm
by Captain
+JuggerNaut+ wrote:Captain Mazda wrote:I still say Schumacher would be already forgotten if he was stuck with a team like Sauber or Minardi. True, he started his career with a year driving for Jordan and '91-'95 with Benetton, but driving the best car for the best team in the sport for 2/3 of your career sure helps out in being acknowledged and successful :icon14:
Suffice to say, he took advantage and became who he is today. GG Schumi.
uh, HE and Jean Todt turned that team around. i don't think you're looking at this correctly. ANY team he would have driven for would be a better team because of his level of commitment and collaboration.
next.
I didn't say it was just the team and car, I just said it helped
Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:59 pm
by +JuggerNaut+
losCHUNK wrote:meh, imo he joined just as ferrari were getting in there stride... he left a decent car and team then, for a few seasons, had his ass handed to him and after the aerodynamics completely changed ferrari were back in, pushing aside renault and mclaren
good driver but completely over rated imo
i mean eddie irvine nearly won a season using nothing more than a ferrari
Ferrari didn't hit stride until Todt and Schumi started clicking along with the team.
next.
Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 6:40 pm
by losCHUNK
ey the 1st 2 - 3 seasons mike was with ferrari he had probs grabbing 1st place... then its was the mclaren and ferrari battle which were the 2 top performing cars at the time then when the dynamics were nerfed it was all ferrari till alonso started poking his nose in
Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 7:54 pm
by Nightshade
+JuggerNaut+ wrote:losCHUNK wrote:meh, imo he joined just as ferrari were getting in there stride... he left a decent car and team then, for a few seasons, had his ass handed to him and after the aerodynamics completely changed ferrari were back in, pushing aside renault and mclaren
good driver but completely over rated imo
i mean eddie irvine nearly won a season using nothing more than a ferrari
Ferrari didn't hit stride until Todt and Schumi started clicking along with the team.
next.
Exactly. They built the fucking team around HIM.
Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 8:22 pm
by +JuggerNaut+
i'm waiting.....
Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 8:47 pm
by losCHUNK
for what ?
Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 9:21 pm
by Captain
Probably a lengthy Nightshade post?
Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 9:42 pm
by losCHUNK
ahhh, now it makes sense
Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 11:42 pm
by Nightshade
+JuggerNaut+ wrote:i'm waiting.....
No time. Senior project, work, gym, etc., etc. You do it.
Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 11:46 pm
by j1126
Shumacher is truly a great but I can't help wondering what Senna would've accomplished with today's technology, or for that matter Fangio or Andretti Sr.
Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 11:53 pm
by Captain
Or Keke Rosberg
Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 12:03 am
by j1126
Captain Mazda wrote:Or Keke Rosberg
I'll take your Rosberg and raise you a Tazio Nuvolari
:icon25:
Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 12:06 am
by +JuggerNaut+
Nightshade wrote:+JuggerNaut+ wrote:i'm waiting.....
No time. Senior project, work, gym, etc., etc. You do it.
damn, i KNEW you were gonna say that. stupid ass new job.
Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 1:06 am
by Captain
lol