Quake3World

Posted: **Wed Feb 14, 2007 3:26 am**

YourGrandpa wrote:
Since I've been a "professional" (not some teen job at a burger joint), my job has been a prime responsibility. People rely on me to be there to do it. When ever I'm not there, someone has to pick up the slack. And I'm sure most of us know how much it sucks to pick up some other losers slack. So no matter what you do, you should have a respect for the obligations bestowed upon you and the people that would have to fill the gaps in your absence.

How bout being a team player...( thats a line assholes like you love to use. )
and have one of your co-workers back in their time of need.
How is it any of you buisness what it is theyre taking time off work for?
Do you immediately have to compare it to your own life and moral values for relevance? Fuck-you and your " If its not a dead baby I dont give a shit. attitude.

Its all semantics with assholes like you....

You want time off to meet your girlfriend? No.
Time off to meet with your Wife? sure...
Time off to meet your old friend? No.
Soccer practice with you kids...yes.
Dead dog you had for 12 years?... no.

Dead baby? Well ...half day..with advance notice that said baby was ill and may die on a work day.

Its not the time off...its the Reason with assholes.

So from someone who loved their dog and has no kids....
Fuck you..... asshole.

Posted: **Wed Feb 14, 2007 3:36 am**

losCHUNK wrote:typical hard nut manager tbh

you in the retail environment or someshit like that ?

Today, I'm a project manager and Senior Estimator for an electrical contractor.

For many years, as a professional, I was a feild technician.

I don't look at my obligations any different today as I did then. I still have a job that people are relying on me to do. Not being there to do my job screws up a previously planned series of events. And that's the way I look at it. People should treat their jobs like integral pieces of a puzzle that couldn't be completed without them.

Posted: **Wed Feb 14, 2007 3:37 am**

YourGrandpa wrote:
Today, I'm a project manager and Senior Estimator for an electrical contractor.

For many years, as a professional, I was a feild technician.

I don't look at my obligations any different today as I did then. I still have a job that people are relying on me to do. Not being there to do my job screws up a a previously planned series of events. And that's the way I look at it. People should treat their jobs like integral pieces of a puzzle that couldn't be completed without them.

spoken like a true asshole..

Posted: **Wed Feb 14, 2007 3:39 am**

It would depend on the job. Right now, I can take a day off from time to time and there's no harm done.

If I had a job where people depended on me though, I would go in.

Posted: **Wed Feb 14, 2007 3:40 am**

Unless it's a family member, I'm going to work.

Posted: **Wed Feb 14, 2007 3:41 am**

everyone has a job theyre depended on...that why its you JOB ffs.

Posted: **Wed Feb 14, 2007 3:43 am**

Pooinyourmouth wrote:
YourGrandpa wrote:
And I'm sure most of us know how much it sucks to pick up some other losers slack. So no matter what you do, you should have a respect for the obligations bestowed upon you and the people that would have to fill the gaps in your absence.

Sounds to me like you may have some other feelings about this guy. Pet be dead or not, it seems you don't like him.

As for me I would be willing to pick up the slack for someone if they had a dog die that they where very attached to. If it was a cat, they can forget about it though.

This question wasn't sparked from an instance at work. It came from a conversation between the wife and I, where she ended up calling me a heartless asshole.

Posted: **Wed Feb 14, 2007 3:54 am**

YourGrandpa wrote:
This question wasn't sparked from an instance at work. It came from a conversation between the wife and I, where she ended up calling me a heartless asshole.

She might be on to something.

Posted: **Wed Feb 14, 2007 3:55 am**

7zark7 wrote: How bout being a team player

How about it? That's not what I'd call being a team player. When you call in to take unplanned time off, you've let down the team.

That's why you don't call in sick when your tummy hurts or you have a slight cough. That's why it doesn't take an entire day to fix a flat tire or charge your car's battery. It's also why you don't shit-can the day because fluffy died.

None of those are good reasons to let down the "team".

Posted: **Wed Feb 14, 2007 3:58 am**

YourGrandpa wrote:
No, I think my priorities are a bit different. A dead animal doesn't = a day off to me.

Perhaps you don't regard your animals as members of your family.

Posted: **Wed Feb 14, 2007 3:59 am**

YourGrandpa wrote:
losCHUNK wrote:typical hard nut manager tbh

you in the retail environment or someshit like that ?
Today, I'm a project manager and Senior Estimator for an electrical contractor.

For many years, as a professional, I was a feild technician.

I don't look at my obligations any different today as I did then. I still have a job that people are relying on me to do. Not being there to do my job screws up a previously planned series of events. And that's the way I look at it. People should treat their jobs like integral pieces of a puzzle that couldn't be completed without them.

well, unless the guys a pisstake and takes days off all the time then you are being overly harsh

you cant uderstand the emotional stress someone else would be going through, mjrpes hit the nail on the head in his post.

as a leader and a professional you should be able to delegate the workload accordingly with no fuss, as you are there for these very reasons. like i said it is only 1 day off which should be expected from any employee

Posted: **Wed Feb 14, 2007 3:59 am**

7zark7 wrote:everyone has a job theyre depended on...that why its you JOB ffs.

That's my point exactly. So put the hamster in a ziplock bag, throw it in the freezer and bury it when you get home from work.

Posted: **Wed Feb 14, 2007 4:00 am**

mjrpes wrote:Two factors involved: what are this person's job responsibilities, and is he/she a reliable employee?

Responsibilities. Are they a crucial member of a team, where their absence has a severe effect on the work your company gets done for the day? If so, then either this person does not understand the responsibilities of their job, or needs to be explained that pet grieving, while respected, should not find its way onto a job where they play such an important part.

Reliability. Do they rarely call in sick or absent except for real emergencies and have otherwise been highly reliability? If so, then you should take their pet grieving seriously, as it does not seem to be an 'excuse' and they really seem to be taking the loss of their pet deeply. Respect that.

I've had pets all my life and I have two of them now. But when you are an adult, you should be able to maintain your composure long enough fulfill your professional obligations. Not run off like a child and cry in the corner.
It is not your place to extend your morality onto the workplace: workers are expected to be reliable and do their job well, and it is assumed that there will be personal emergencies that come up every once in a while. If this is considered an 'emergency' to them, then I think it is right to respect that. Obviously, if they seem to be having an 'emergency' every other week, then they are not reliable and you can have the honors of dropping them.

IMHO, if you drop an otherwise reliable and hard working employee because of this one incident then you are the one being unprofessional, as you are not judging them on their overall worth to the company.

I'm not gonna post anything because your post is pretty much spot on with my thoughts on the matter, but since I'm drunk (yes I'm drunk of a thursday night, fuck off my case) it would have taken me twice as long to get to the point :icon14:

Posted: **Wed Feb 14, 2007 4:04 am**

lol I did say thursday lol I'm drunk

Posted: **Wed Feb 14, 2007 4:07 am**

YourGrandpa wrote:
Since I've been a "professional" (not some teen job at a burger joint), my job has been a prime responsibility. People rely on me to be there to do it. When ever I'm not there, someone has to pick up the slack. And I'm sure most of us know how much it sucks to pick up some other losers slack. So no matter what you do, you should have a respect for the obligations bestowed upon you and the people that would have to fill the gaps in your absence.

If there is something so important, then when organising the project, the fact that employees do get sick, do take time off, should be factored into the equation.

You would be just as fucked if the employee had taken time off because he broke his leg.

Even if you were working at macdonalds, if you took the day off, they are short one member of staff, and when it gets busy, the rest of the staff members are gonna be running around like cunts.

I do agree with you that when you sign a contract you take on a responsibility, but also people should respect the fact that you cannot switch off all personal thoughts just because you are working.

I take a day off when i consider it necessary, if it fucks people, i apologise, but at the end of the day, i work to get money to enjoy myself, i dont work because of some blind devotion to the work ethic

Posted: **Wed Feb 14, 2007 4:13 am**

is it a hamster ?

Posted: **Wed Feb 14, 2007 4:13 am**

Yeah, I agree that you cannot form the same type of bond with a hamster that you can with a dog or cat....

Posted: **Wed Feb 14, 2007 4:14 am**

losCHUNK wrote:
YourGrandpa wrote:
losCHUNK wrote:typical hard nut manager tbh

you in the retail environment or someshit like that ?
Today, I'm a project manager and Senior Estimator for an electrical contractor.

For many years, as a professional, I was a feild technician.

I don't look at my obligations any different today as I did then. I still have a job that people are relying on me to do. Not being there to do my job screws up a previously planned series of events. And that's the way I look at it. People should treat their jobs like integral pieces of a puzzle that couldn't be completed without them.
well, unless the guys a pisstake and takes days off all the time then you are being overly harsh

you cant uderstand the emotional stress someone else would be going through, mjrpes hit the nail on the head in his post.

as a leader and a professional you should be able to delegate the workload accordingly with no fuss, as you are there for these very reasons. like i said it is only 1 day off which should be expected from any employee

Again, you're missing the point. I wouldn't fire someone for it. But I would have doubts about putting that person in a more responsible position. I also think that everyone, as a professional, should respect their job more than to call off for a dead animal. Furthermore, you shouldn't "expect" everyone to drop what they're doing to reorganize their day because Bobo died.

Posted: **Wed Feb 14, 2007 4:14 am**

I dunno, there should be no bias on the matter you either agree that people can and do have strong emotional bonds with animals or you dont...no matter what it was

Posted: **Wed Feb 14, 2007 4:21 am**

YourGrandpa wrote:
losCHUNK wrote:
YourGrandpa wrote: Today, I'm a project manager and Senior Estimator for an electrical contractor.

For many years, as a professional, I was a feild technician.

I don't look at my obligations any different today as I did then. I still have a job that people are relying on me to do. Not being there to do my job screws up a previously planned series of events. And that's the way I look at it. People should treat their jobs like integral pieces of a puzzle that couldn't be completed without them.
well, unless the guys a pisstake and takes days off all the time then you are being overly harsh

you cant uderstand the emotional stress someone else would be going through, mjrpes hit the nail on the head in his post.

as a leader and a professional you should be able to delegate the workload accordingly with no fuss, as you are there for these very reasons. like i said it is only 1 day off which should be expected from any employee
Again, you're missing the point. I wouldn't fire someone for it. But I would have doubts about putting that person in a more responsible position. I also think that everyone, as a professional, should respect their job more than to call off for a dead animal. Furthermore, you shouldn't "expect" everyone to drop what they're doing to reorganize their day because Bobo died.

how am i missing the point ? you cant understand how someone could be cut up over loosing what most people do consider a part of there family

and for that reason it is not very professional of you to hold a grudge against him

edit - i dont understand why people take sundays off to pray to someone that isnt there

but i understand how important it is for them and respect there decision to do so

Posted: **Wed Feb 14, 2007 4:24 am**

theoneandonly wrote: I like to see what people are drinking.

my choices in liquor are pretty generic, mostly gray goose on the rocks or corona with lime

Posted: **Wed Feb 14, 2007 4:31 am**

losCHUNK wrote:is it a hamster ?

So here we are drawing different conclusions to similar situations.

You asked if it was a hamster. No, this is an open conversation about a pet. Hamsters are still pets, right? Why should I feel any different about a dog? After all, it's a pet. If taking a day off isn't acceptable for one, it shouldn't be for the other.

I also see people talking about how improtant the job in question is. Again, this isn't about a specific job. But that shouldn't really matter. The idea that someone thinks it's ok to fuck off work for the day because they're not that important, is just plain shit. It also establishes that person as someone who isn't going anywhere quick.

Posted: **Wed Feb 14, 2007 4:37 am**

losCHUNK wrote:
YourGrandpa wrote:
losCHUNK wrote: well, unless the guys a pisstake and takes days off all the time then you are being overly harsh

you cant uderstand the emotional stress someone else would be going through, mjrpes hit the nail on the head in his post.

as a leader and a professional you should be able to delegate the workload accordingly with no fuss, as you are there for these very reasons. like i said it is only 1 day off which should be expected from any employee
Again, you're missing the point. I wouldn't fire someone for it. But I would have doubts about putting that person in a more responsible position. I also think that everyone, as a professional, should respect their job more than to call off for a dead animal. Furthermore, you shouldn't "expect" everyone to drop what they're doing to reorganize their day because Bobo died.
how am i missing the point ? you cant understand how someone could be cut up over loosing what most people do consider a part of there family

and for that reason it is not very professional of you to hold a grudge against him

edit - i dont understand why people take sundays off to pray to someone that isnt there

but i understand how important it is for them and respect there decision to do so

I wouldn't call it holding a grudge. More like a question of character.

Posted: **Wed Feb 14, 2007 4:45 am**

YourGrandpa wrote:
losCHUNK wrote:is it a hamster ?
So here we are drawing different conclusions to similar situations.

You asked if it was a hamster. No, this is an open conversation about a pet. Hamsters are still pets, right? Why should I feel any different about a dog? After all, it's a pet. If taking a day off isn't acceptable for one, it shouldn't be for the other.

I also see people talking about how improtant the job in question is. Again, this isn't about a specific job. But that shouldn't really matter. The idea that someone thinks it's ok to fuck off work for the day because they're not that important, is just plain shit. It also establishes that person as someone who isn't going anywhere quick.

That last line is a load of shit. I took off work when I had to put my cat to sleep because he was dying of liver failure during - GOD forbid! - work hours and I had no intentions of going back to work bawling my eyes out cuz the cat I'd had from 9 yrs old to 23 yrs old had just died. I did not consider it a sign that I wasn't going anywhere quick.

Face it: You're an asshole.

ETA: I do, however, feel that a dog or cat is more capable of a connection than a hamster, but I've never owned a hamster so I'll defer to the hamster-junkies on that one.

Posted: **Wed Feb 14, 2007 4:50 am**

YourGrandpa wrote:The idea that someone thinks it's ok to fuck off work for the day because they're not that important, is just plain shit.

You're getting a bit ridiculous.

Shit happens. Companies know that shit happens. Many companies give employees "personal days." I get five personal days a year. On these days, they don't care if I'm grieving for fluffy or watching cartoons.

The importance of the postion is definitely a factor. As much as I'd love to believe the place would crumble to the ground if I wasn't there, it's just not true.

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