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Underpants? wrote:pretty neat. I would have said amazing, but I don't want to invite a debate on everything from cold fusion to why the purpose of life is to live a virtuous existence in agreement with nature.

OK, now you started an argument...

great now singers can be horrible and they'll still come out sounding naturaly good


ps
not that this tool will have anything to do with it, but it reminded me the "computers cannot create art" comment... music dissected to this level would only need a few straightforward mathematical formulas to where a computer can randomly process masterpieces

pps
nah not really

Grandpa Stu wrote: eh...your "ineptitude" shines through brightly here. without basic knowledge in music theory you're still going to be completely fucking lost if you don't know how to properly construct chords, melodies and harmonies. even if you have a "library" of notes, chords, etc. you need to know how to piece them together in a way that makes sense.

i find humor in your poke at "techno" musicians and them not being able to achieve a sound they truly desire. if you actually understood the incredibly complex harmonies, melodies and rythms that go into "techno" music you'd realize on how arrogant your statement is.

anyways, this program looks amazing. the possibilities are huge and i must have it!

My ineptitude lay strictly in the area of the inability to play an instument, sing, or write music. As far as hearing and disecting music, I have no handicap. I say this is an amazing tool for people like me to be able to experiment with music on a micro scale than, say, rappers and their "sampling". Of course I know how music is "pieced" together, as well as how music is created to "make sense". (However that term can apply to an art form)

It was NOT a "poke" I made at techno musicians, but an observation based on statements and attitudes of various musicians I know including, but not limited to, techno enthusiasts. It is indeed arrogant of you to ASSuME that I do not understand - or appreciate - the"complex harmonies, melodies, and rythms" of techno...you dork.

[xeno]Julios wrote:
why? I know what a fourier analysis is conceptually as it's kinda important for my work in visual cognition. You take a signal and mathematically decompose it into its component frequencies.

I also understand that the individual timbre of an instrument is characterized by a certain pattern of superimposed frequencies.

So if you have a guitar chord, each note of which comprises a set of superimposed frequencies, then you can do a fourier analysis of the signal to get all the individual frequencies, and separate them based on the timbral pattern.

Was hoping to get some discussion on how the software actually does what it does, not get into an intellectual pissing match.

No no no I know what you mean...I'm saying that people who read someone saying "I don't know much" and then throw out the big words that I'd say roughly 95% of the population has never heard of (fourier) they can, unjustifiably in many cases, think a person is just chiming in to show the size of their intellectual penis. I'm not trying to start a pissing match here either or anything because I know what you mean. Was simply making an observation. Probably way off the mark anyhow so just forget I brought it up.

in encoding the third integral of each envelope in the signal, perhaps the software is able to identify, based on these antiderivatives, the acoustic properties on a finer resolution.

bit of me, MQ, krakus in there, with a sprinkle of pete.

and TNF wearing two condoms.

anyone getting excited about the benefits of this system for composition is utterly swallowing the hype. It's a nice pitch shifter for obsessive producers. That's it.

[xeno]Julios wrote:

why? I know what a fourier analysis is conceptually as it's kinda important for my work in visual cognition. You take a signal and mathematically decompose it into its component frequencies.

I also understand that the individual timbre of an instrument is characterized by a certain pattern of superimposed frequencies.

So if you have a guitar chord, each note of which comprises a set of superimposed frequencies, then you can do a fourier analysis of the signal to get all the individual frequencies, and separate them based on the timbral pattern.

Was hoping to get some discussion on how the software actually does what it does, not get into an intellectual pissing match.

During an operation in the operating theater:

I use a Fourier analysis to dissect an arterial blood pressure wave into eight harmonics at a high frequency to get proper values. Then I use the principle of Fick with my pulmonal artery catheter to calculate the cardiac output. After that I measure the Pulmonary Artery Occlusion Pressure to see what the Left Ventricle End Diastolic Volume is and if there's room to improve the contractility of the left ventricle according to the Frank-Starling's law of the heart. Maybe the patient has some dilated cardiomyopathy and I'll have to apple the law of Laplace.

blah blah blah

Film about Julios.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0117333/

saturn wrote:

[xeno]Julios wrote:

why? I know what a fourier analysis is conceptually as it's kinda important for my work in visual cognition. You take a signal and mathematically decompose it into its component frequencies.

I also understand that the individual timbre of an instrument is characterized by a certain pattern of superimposed frequencies.

So if you have a guitar chord, each note of which comprises a set of superimposed frequencies, then you can do a fourier analysis of the signal to get all the individual frequencies, and separate them based on the timbral pattern.

Was hoping to get some discussion on how the software actually does what it does, not get into an intellectual pissing match.

During an operation in the operating theater:

I use a Fourier analysis to dissect an arterial blood pressure wave into eight harmonics at a high frequency to get proper values. Then I use the principle of Fick with my pulmonal artery catheter to calculate the cardiac output. After that I measure the Pulmonary Artery Occlusion Pressure to see what the Left Ventricle End Diastolic Volume is and if there's room to improve the contractility of the left ventricle according to the Frank-Starling's law of the heart. Maybe the patient has some dilated cardiomyopathy and I'll have to apple the law of Laplace.

blah blah blah

All that, and still have time to do the crossword....

lol, wannabe rockstar MD.

This is pretty awesome.
I can see someone like Steve Vai making use of this. He's such a perfectionist that he'll go through every little note from a live recording to see which ones were wrong to correct them. Someone like him can take that a lot further with technology like this. Maybe he's already using it

saturn wrote:lol, wannabe rockstar MD.

Fuck me, paging Dr. Handbag.

Geebs wrote:anyone getting excited about the benefits of this system for composition is utterly swallowing the hype. It's a nice pitch shifter for obsessive producers. That's it.

has there been any software in the past which is able to do what this software does?

Not an expert, but after running a fourier analysis on this thread i have to say yes, probably.

so, if an instrument player can't quite seem to play a song yet, he can record it and make it right in the program..... and not get any better at the instrument. great.

andyman wrote:so, if an instrument player can't quite seem to play a song yet, he can record it and make it right in the program..... and not get any better at the instrument. great.

Do you have any idea how much money the music industry made by using that same approach with teen pop stars?

andyman wrote:so, if an instrument player can't quite seem to play a song yet, he can record it and make it right in the program..... and not get any better at the instrument. great.

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andyman wrote:so, if an instrument player can't quite seem to play a song yet, he can record it and make it right in the program..... and not get any better at the instrument. great.

Is it possible that I'm not quite the idiot that some geezers would make me out to be?

Maybe?

ehh so what

its like useing distortion and compression and delay to get more sustain or hide/mask slop

those tools been in use for a long time


and plus the slowdown record-playback fast chipmonk sounding guys might like this!

plained missed the point/didn't understand the softwares potential.

nah ur just confused as usual

ey fuc tou anyways tho ey

no offence!

Looks neat.

andyman wrote:so, if an instrument player can't quite seem to play a song yet, he can record it and make it right in the program..... and not get any better at the instrument. great.

while yes this could be a potential use, it's not the only use.

lets say i've laid down a guitar, piano and bass track. but then i get interested in how the song might sound if i invert some chords on the guitar or change their progression around. while i could just re-record the guitar track with the changes in it there's also a good chance that it no longer harmonizes as well with my piano and bass...so then i'd have to go in and re-record those as well. with this program i could quickly go through and make the changes without having to re-record everything.

this also opens up a whole new door for remixes. if someone asks me to remix their song and all i'm given is a multitrack session with no midi info or the patches they used to create certain sounds then it makes my job a whole lot easier if i can go in and disect the chords that person used and then change things as i see fit.

I dunno, being primarily an instrumentalist i tend to find that the more technology I have, the less tolerant of multiple takes I am and the less inventive in recording techniques I get. Jus sayin'