Black Monday on Wall Street??

[scared?]

Reagan is the flaw in yer logic. You can't touch thi Gipper. He was a great man and a great President....Probably the last great President.

lol what a dumb moron this mexican't is...

[Peenyuh]

GFY is from Canadia, so his op on this doesn't count.

On the same hand, scared? is a commie, pinko, slimeball....so his doesn't count either.

[Ryoki]

Reagan is the flaw in yer logic. You can't touch thi Gipper. He was a great man and a great President....Probably the last great President.

I hope you're not serious.

[werldhed]

Reagan.

no.

[R00k]

GFY is from Canadia, so his op on this doesn't count.

On the same hand, scared? is a commie, pinko, slimeball....so his doesn't count either.

Honestly, the only real reason I think you can have that much respect for Reagan, is if you think he was too incompetent to realize everything else that was happening in his administration.

Besides that, the political climate we're seeing today - and the economic one as well - are following directly from the Reagan philosophy on governing. If it weren't for Reagan, we wouldn't have Bush, plain and simple.

[Peenyuh]

Talk about "can't be serious"! I suppose if the auto hadn't been invented, we wouldn't have speeding tickets? You people are an amazing group. I respect alot of you in so many ways. But in THIS? You are all lost.

[R00k]

Okay, then what was so great about the Gipper, aside from the fact that he gives you a warm fuzzy when you think about him?

edit: and this analogy just makes me think you're missing my point:

I suppose if the auto hadn't been invented, we wouldn't have speeding tickets?

[Peenyuh]

Our country was in much the same shape it's in now and Reagan made it alot better for most of us. It took this long to fuck off everything he did. Reagan showed that a little back bone and decisiveness goes along way. The rest of the world didn't like him much...and that bothers me to a certain extent...but he managed to get alot of people off of their lazy-complainabouteverything-and-donothing asses. The economy got better. Terror didn't go into the free for all state it was headed for (or is now). AND he convinced the Soviets to have a coke and a smile and stfu. (my personal fav)

[Underpants?]

Reaganomics aside, what that administration did for foreign policy was a mixed bag (Iran Contra??? Fuck Russia? awesome Taiwan? hmm Germany? What :?) of amazing speech and presentation mixed with a colossal dose of self-deprecating stubbornness.. Many read the man in the suit as a person of stoic and immovable principle, and others saw rapacity disguised as ignorance. I don't know enough about that era to have an opinion, I'm just ruminating a mixture ingested from people who appear smarter than me on the subject.

[Underpants?]

w..?

[seremtan]

lol, what a load of bullshit. reagan oversaw a massive deficit, funded terrorists in latin america, flattened grenada on a bullshit reason, was NOT the cause of communism's downfall (communism, as chicago school types like to remind us, contained the seeds of its own downfall), and consulted an astrologer on policy issues

and you fell for it

[Underpants?]

I didn't fall for anything. the papers are all there for the reading, you just have to open your eyes and accept that a member of whatever party you're so dead set against may have done something good for folks at one point in time:
http://www.armscontrol.org/act/2004_07-08/Reagan

[Peenyuh]

Reaganomics aside, what that administration did for foreign policy was a mixed bag (Iran Contra??? Fuck Russia? awesome Taiwan? hmm Germany? What :?) of amazing speech and presentation mixed with a colossal dose of self-deprecating stubbornness.. Many read the man in the suit as a person of stoic and immovable principle, and others saw rapacity disguised as ignorance. I don't know enough about that era to have an opinion, I'm just ruminating a mixture ingested from people who appear smarter than me on the subject.

Very accurate. And does not argue against my point...which is a bonus fer me.

[R00k]

I'm judging him from the point of view of history. And from what I can tell, the turds he dropped off the roof of the white house are still rolling down our backs, and getting bigger every time.

[R00k]

Very accurate. And does not argue against my point...which is a bonus fer me.

What you posted about him was either inaccurate, or exactly the kind of warm-and-fuzzy crap I was talking about. No substance.

[Massive Quasars]

Raygun was fairly decent on foreign policy wrt the Soviets. His marginal tax cuts were productive, but to that end he permitted deficit increases rather than spending cuts. That latter bit is bothersome given republican tendencies since then.

[LawL]

Don't get all confused now, my friendly kiwi. Our society isn't crumbling...it can't cause we still have all the guns. It's merely our economy that's crumbling. The US won't crash and burn. We will survive, because we're REALLY good at doing just that.

i cant tell if youre joking or if youre just an idiot

He's just an idiot.

[Peenyuh]

I'm judging him from the point of view of history. And from what I can tell, the turds he dropped off the roof of the white house are still rolling down our backs, and getting bigger every time.

Some men you just can't reach...

Please refer to my sig.

[dubz]

I am a Republican who believes one must apply democracy as a general rule, and add in a bit of totalitarianism with just a dab of socialism...

and this guy is debating politics...... and such people have the right to vote.....


please refer to a concentration camp

[seremtan]

I didn't fall for anything. the papers are all there for the reading, you just have to open your eyes and accept that a member of whatever party you're so dead set against may have done something good for folks at one point in time:
http://www.armscontrol.org/act/2004_07-08/Reagan

umm, that was a response to peenyus's ra-ra-reagan-was-TODALLY-AH-SUM nonsense

[Massive Quasars]

No nuance? Republicans have been in with spastic religionists since Reagan, he was better than could be expected from that lot.

[Peenyuh]

I am a Republican who believes one must apply democracy as a general rule, and add in a bit of totalitarianism with just a dab of socialism...

and this guy is debating politics...... and such people have the right to vote.....


please refer to a concentration camp

Nobody sees the irony in this? I would fight to the death for your right to speak (read vote) and you begrudge MY right to speak? Who's the fascist?! You just bailed on any credible "debate". Fool.

@ suckancram: Nonsense this, buttboy!

@ MQ: I don't believe in God in any mainsteam form. Let's all generalize now. I'll go first....Brita all have bad teeth and are h0m0s in college. Next.

[dubz]

id rather have you stay at home then to vote for arnold... its pretty simle, a license to vote, and you would get 0 points automatically on the test for not knowing the very basic, what is democracy/totalitarianism... educate yourself, maybe you will get more points next year...

[R00k]

I'm judging him from the point of view of history. And from what I can tell, the turds he dropped off the roof of the white house are still rolling down our backs, and getting bigger every time.

Some men you just can't reach...

Please refer to my sig.

And again - no substance, just rhetoric.

[Peenyuh]

id rather have you stay at home then to vote for arnold... its pretty simle, a license to vote, and you would get 0 points automatically on the test for not knowing the very basic, what is democracy/totalitarianism... educate yourself, maybe you will get more points next year...

At least Rook has got a valid point in his opinion that mine is just rhetoric. I know what these two philosophies are. I even know how they are applied...one of my favorite subjects is the histories of governments and, more specifically, war. Your accusation of my lack of education is assumptive and baseless. I will now approach your level of debate, please follow along. Eat a fat one you moron.