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Religion and god are a construct of barbarians to maintain social order, explain that which they could not fathom and rule over others (as barbarians are ought to do) and control wealth.

Having said that, our purpose is to protect and prolong the gene pool. We (our consciousness) moves to another universe/parellel dimension upon death to become part of another body of consciousness.

We are not an accident. We are planned but to what end - WTF knows.

Do I get a prize?

(Dear God - if you are reading this, I don't mean any of it. I'm just going along with these nimwits. I'll talk to you later tonight. )

Unisaw wrote:a load of crap

Religion and god are NOT constructs of barbarians to maintain social order, to explain that which they could not fathom and rule over others. They are constructs PRECISELY because we give events meaning and intent and have - over time - THEN evolved into ways to explain things we cannot fathom and rule over others ONLY because of our own vanity and greed.

"All of our crops died."
"Therefore something wanted our crops to die."
"Therefore all of us should do what we think something wants or our crops will continue to die."

or

"There is thunder in the sky and water is falling on us to make us cold and wet."
"Therefore something in the sky is angry at us in particular."

It's a bullshit argument.

Like I said, giving meaning/purpose/intent to things that don't have meaning/purpose/intent is a path to close-mindedness and creates eons of second-guessing as to what our invented deities want....particularly what their "plans" are.

Life has no meaning and no intent. Life is a natural process of 15 billion years of hydrogen and gravity interacting. Hydrogen was compressed into stars, which used fusion to create heavier elements. Supernovas then created even heavier elements. Eventually, organic compounds (those heavier elements) had conditions which created life and amino acids. As to what sparked life there have indeed been experiments that prove that amino acids - the building blocks of DNA - are the product of organic compounds being wet, dried out and zapped with electricity - and repeating the process - over and over again. So, in essence, life in our universe was inevitable due to natural processes.

What was also inevitable was complex life that could contemplate the "meaning" of it all.

While you're correct in saying that life is not an accident, you fail to understand that life is no more an accident than the formation of a star. It was simply a matter of time. But there is no "plan" and no "planner." That's like saying that God created stars simply to keep us warm.

One poignant example of "intent" is when a pilot saved people during an airline crash in Toronto several years back. All the news reporters were calling it a "miracle". Then Jon Stewart from The Daily Show pointed out that it was no miracle because God had FULLY INTENDED to crash that plane, but the pilot stopped everyone from dying. So where's the "meaning" or "intent" in that event? Was it God's intent to crash the plane? Was it God's intent to give the pilot the skills to NOT crash the plane? Was it God's intent to give engineers the know-how and foresight to add a run-off portion to the runway? Was it God's plan to give the news reporters something interesting to report that day? Was it because God hates fags? You could go in circles for eternity trying to figure the meaning or intent of the event and in the end you'd still be no better off because of it.

We simply give life meaning and intent because we anthropomorphize everything we see and experience. Sitting there and asking "Why?" to completely natural or random events is the dumbest thing one could spend their limited time doing.

In terms of purpose, life indeed does try to procreate itself but that is not something that anyone wakes up in the morning and says they're going to do. You can joke that everyone wakes up with the intent of getting laid, but nobody that I know wakes up each day with the intent of actually making a baby. We are simply compelled to do it and - in that - there is no meaning or intent...it's just the way life is.

^i'm glad we agree.

I had a feeling you were taking the piss. Fucker.

This GFY guy sure does babble.

Dark Metal wrote:This GFY guy sure does babble.

Mod your own trolling or I'll create a thread to whine about you. Fucker.

one word answers aren't really the meaning of life, they're more like the best thing in life and things aren't defined by only their positive aspects, there's the negative too.
I would define life as the constant struggle to maintain happiness, so for me sleeping well is the most important thing in life, when you sleep well every night everything else just sorta falls into place

Get born, get fucked, get dead.

tl;dr/what a load of crap

GONNAFISTYA wrote:Religion and god are NOT constructs of barbarians to maintain social order, to explain that which they could not fathom and rule over others. They are constructs PRECISELY because we give events meaning and intent and have - over time - THEN evolved into ways to explain things we cannot fathom and rule over others ONLY because of our own vanity and greed.

"All of our crops died."
"Therefore something wanted our crops to die."
"Therefore all of us should do what we think something wants or our crops will continue to die."

or

"There is thunder in the sky and water is falling on us to make us cold and wet."
"Therefore something in the sky is angry at us in particular."

It's a bullshit argument.



Like I said, giving meaning/purpose/intent to things that don't have meaning/purpose/intent is a path to close-mindedness and creates eons of second-guessing as to what our invented deities want....particularly what their "plans" are.

Life has no meaning and no intent. Life is a natural process of 15 billion years of hydrogen and gravity interacting. Hydrogen was compressed into stars, which used fusion to create heavier elements. Supernovas then created even heavier elements. Eventually, organic compounds (those heavier elements) had conditions which created life and amino acids. As to what sparked life there have indeed been experiments that prove that amino acids - the building blocks of DNA - are the product of organic compounds being wet, dried out and zapped with electricity - and repeating the process - over and over again. So, in essence, life in our universe was inevitable due to natural processes.

What was also inevitable was complex life that could contemplate the "meaning" of it all.

While you're correct in saying that life is not an accident, you fail to understand that life is no more an accident than the formation of a star. It was simply a matter of time. But there is no "plan" and no "planner." That's like saying that God created stars simply to keep us warm.

One poignant example of "intent" is when a pilot saved people during an airline crash in Toronto several years back. All the news reporters were calling it a "miracle". Then Jon Stewart from The Daily Show pointed out that it was no miracle because God had FULLY INTENDED to crash that plane, but the pilot stopped everyone from dying. So where's the "meaning" or "intent" in that event? Was it God's intent to crash the plane? Was it God's intent to give the pilot the skills to NOT crash the plane? Was it God's intent to give engineers the know-how and foresight to add a run-off portion to the runway? Was it God's plan to give the news reporters something interesting to report that day? Was it because God hates fags? You could go in circles for eternity trying to figure the meaning or intent of the event and in the end you'd still be no better off because of it.

We simply give life meaning and intent because we anthropomorphize everything we see and experience. Sitting there and asking "Why?" to completely natural or random events is the dumbest thing one could spend their limited time doing.

In terms of purpose, life indeed does try to procreate itself but that is not something that anyone wakes up in the morning and says they're going to do. You can joke that everyone wakes up with the intent of getting laid, but nobody that I know wakes up each day with the intent of actually making a baby. We are simply compelled to do it and - in that - there is no meaning or intent...it's just the way life is.

fuck u for deleting my post...

thread needs song

Fender wrote:might be relevant (i haven't watched it yet)

http://www.ted.com/talks/mihaly_csiksze ... _flow.html

Interest chat, kinda wish he went on a bit longer. Thx for link

Yeah, I wish he had not rambled so much in the middle and was able to actually speak to his real point for 3 or 4 minutes. Oh well. Ok talk overall, but there are much better on TED.

Fender wrote:Yeah, I wish he had not rambled so much in the middle and was able to actually speak to his real point for 3 or 4 minutes. Oh well. Ok talk overall, but there are much better on TED.

Yea he beat around the bush a bit, but the idea itself is kinda neat. I would say I've experienced it myself when making music, namely the "hours seem to pass by in minutes." Care to point out any gems on TED?

Joshua Klein on the intelligence of crows is fucking awesome. I've been contemplating building his contraption.

ey you ever seen that poster with love, live and laugh on there?

that sounds pretty good

Unisaw wrote:Religion and god are a construct of barbarians to maintain social order, explain that which they could not fathom and rule over others (as barbarians are ought to do) and control wealth.

Having said that, our purpose is to protect and prolong the gene pool. We (our consciousness) moves to another universe/parellel dimension upon death to become part of another body of consciousness.

We are not an accident. We are planned but to what end - WTF knows.

Do I get a prize?

(Dear God - if you are reading this, I don't mean any of it. I'm just going along with these nimwits. I'll talk to you later tonight. )

I love that response Mine would b along the same lines

My humble case:
10s : go to top-uni in Japan to earn incredible amount of money in the future - failed
20s : escape from the Chinese colony - failed
30s : persuit real happiness/wellness, not fake one, and share it with everyone around me which I call "my job" - on going

At the moment:
be the most tough, that is, healthy guy in the universe

Either neither both either and both are neither preferable to either both both and neither and either both and either are both preferable to both both and neither and both and either.

Oh, hi a13n.

isnt a13n still banned
fruitloop

The meaning of life is making meaning of life... Or something along those lines.

Hi, Plan B and MKJ.
My nick is i0n, not a13n anymore nor i18n.

EtUL wrote:fuckin' around on q3w.

seriously if you want real answers offer up your view.

Precisely... this HM-PuFFNSTuFF guy has 3 topics going on in this manner ,right now in page one as we speak, that require alot from everyone else without offering anything in return...it's the main reason i haven't bothered to even post in any of them.

Tsakali wrote:

EtUL wrote:fuckin' around on q3w.

seriously if you want real answers offer up your view.

Precisely... this HM-PuFFNSTuFF guy has 3 topics going on in this manner ,right now in page one as we speak, that require alot from everyone else without offering anything in return...it's the main reason i haven't bothered to even post in any of them.

Exactly, as inane as I can be I used to post random thought threads with subjects kinda like this, I at least put in a paragraph or two of what my opinion or general idea was but I don't bother anymore because the mods here like to delete them as soon as they see them. It's too bad really, makes for fun disucssions sometimes... or head banging on keyboards. either way it's a laugh, or it was a laugh rather...