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tnf wrote:DB - is it all the TV's with that NeoPDP system that look great? The one you linked showed up as $2000 on froogle and I could only find one retailer that had that specific model (US-UK thing?)

What about this one?
http://www.us-appliance.com/tcp42s2.htm ... _7ctcp42s2

$649 at BestBuy.

You'd be very happy with that. Just make sure you turn off 'intelligent frame creation' if you go for it.

Oh, i'd also ignore mac because it seems he hasn't got a clue what he's talking about.

I've had top of the line at their time samsung and sony. each time i looked i compared TVs before buying and this time around nothing came close to plasma and panasonic are the best after pioneer dropped out of the TV market (selling all their patents to LG).

Re the 600hz bollocks, it comes in handy on SD transmissions like sports etc. all Panasonic TVs now support 24hz in HD.

also, free calibration tools which work very well when you do buy one.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=948496

So does component normally handle 1080P?

I'm sure others have experienced what I just found out - I need to use HDMI for 1080P on the 360. Can other devices output that through component?

tnf wrote:So does component normally handle 1080P?

I'm sure others have experienced what I just found out - I need to use HDMI for 1080P on the 360. Can other devices output that through component?

Component will handle 720p/1080i but HDMI is required for 1080p.

Just an issue of flow of data right?

Yes. TrueHD sound also requires HDMI 1.3, just so you know if you're planning on an audio system to go with the new TV. Optical and digital coax will only decode up to Dolby Digital EX.

Tormentius wrote:

tnf wrote:So does component normally handle 1080P?

I'm sure others have experienced what I just found out - I need to use HDMI for 1080P on the 360. Can other devices output that through component?

Component will handle 720p/1080i but HDMI is required for 1080p.

people need to stop eating the marketing.

Component video is capable of carrying signals such as 480i, 480p, 576i, 576p, 720p, 1080i and 1080p, and new high definition TVs support the use of component video up to their native resolution.

its like saying you need firewire to copy GBs, cause USB can only handle MBs.

Image quality on HDMI will be substantially better though.
I wonder tho, how long it'll take the market to get with HD2 or Super-HD or whatever they'll call it, because HD, as it is, is already getting outdated for the stuff we're using it for.

a 1920x1080 resolution is great when you're watching it on a 21" screen, but at 40+ inches, it's the same as if you'd be watching 640x480 on your 21" screen.

Just look at it like this. 1920x1080 is only double the resolution you get on a 3.5" iPhone 4 screen.

The only reedeming factor of TV's is that you're sitting a few feet away from it.

MKJ wrote: people need to stop eating the marketing.

Although component is technically able to handle a 1080p signal it depends on the source device whether 1080p will output over it. The reason for that is HDCP (High-Bandwidth Digital Content Protection), another wonderful copy protection scheme forced on us by the media industry. My point was that every TV coming out these days has at least one HDMI port so it isn't worth gambling on whether or not a given component will work, especially since HDMI cables can go for as little as $10 online (mine was $11 and works just fine). HDMI cables are compliant to the HDCP standard but it's worth noting that its a digital signal (eg. arrives at the destination or doesn't) so spending a fortune ridiculously overpriced Monster cables isn't needed. The big box stores are selling "high performance" cables at an extreme markup but it's a bit of a con since since the picture or sound is exactly the same between an expensive digital cable and a cheap one.

Oh, this might be an interesting read for those who believe paying for expensive HDMI cables is worth the money:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digit ... ry-vs-hdmi

Welcome back to reality

edit:
The most surprising thing to me when reading that article was actually the fact that it's possible to spend 3000 quid on a HDMI cable

Tormentius wrote:

MKJ wrote: people need to stop eating the marketing.

Although component is technically able to handle a 1080p signal it depends on the source device whether 1080p will output over it. The reason for that is HDCP (High-Bandwidth Digital Content Protection), another wonderful copy protection scheme forced on us by the media industry. My point was that every TV coming out these days has at least one HDMI port so it isn't worth gambling on whether or not a given component will work, especially since HDMI cables can go for as little as $10 online (mine was $11 and works just fine). HDMI cables are compliant to the HDCP standard but it's worth noting that its a digital signal (eg. arrives at the destination or doesn't) so spending a fortune ridiculously overpriced Monster cables isn't needed. The big box stores are selling "high performance" cables at an extreme markup but it's a bit of a con since since the picture or sound is exactly the same between an expensive digital cable and a cheap one.

indeed

Eraser wrote:Image quality on HDMI will be substantially better though.

'can', not 'will'

ok that settles it

go to costco and get the sony

http://www.monoprice.com - never step foot in a store to be anally raped for a cable ever again.

P.S. Sony is utter crap.

tnf wrote:How does the synthetic frame thing actually work?

There ya go http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_interpolation

I'd also say that my TV standards are much lower than others - if its sharp, decent color, dark blacks and no major pixellation/ghosting I'm happy.

Well this sounds not like low expectations.. But at the end it depends what thoose attributes mean to you.

Before i would choose a tv i would first see what the image sources are you are going to use. Based on that one can advise you further.

I'm currently using 4+ year old 32 inch LCD's - primarily a Samsung 720P set that has worked well. Based on the progression of technology, wouldn't a 'decent' set by today's 1080P standards be an improvement? I realize that there is a difference in the quality between what I'd get for $650 and $1650 - its no different than the cameras I've bought - there is a difference between what a $2500 camera will do and what a $700 camera will do. My point is that, in the case of a TV, I feel like I fit in the crowd that is also looking for the $700 camera and would be satisfied with what it can do.

Both lcd and plasma tech evolved over the years but both still have the same problems.. For example viewing angle on lcd or burn in on plasma.

Again the sources you will use are important. And cheap plasmas are usualy not a good overall tv if you use it with mixed media.
To get a good plasma you need to spend serious money and if doombrain claims he had the top of the line sony and samsungs its more than odd he went from porsch to vw and claims its better. Any lcd with (non egde) local dimming will beat high end plasmas any day especialy in daily use. No burn in, infinite black levels, alot less power consumption and a overall longer lifetime. I bought 4 high end tvs before i found one i really liked. But i am more than picky when it comes to pure picture quality.. I could not stand the rainbow artifacts on the 50" pioneer, similar to dlp projectors.. But most people dont see that.. The Philips 52 pfl 9xxx had too much color bleed which i could not stand at all.. Se it ended up between the samsung 55a9 and the sony 55x both with local dimming.. The sony was a tad better but the samy was 1,5k€ cheaper (3 vs4,5) and for that money i bought a 7.1 teufel system5 for the livingroom.
I know this is all not the pricerange you are looking for but size and quality costs money.. 40" with decent quality should run around 1-1,2k.

At the end i see a tv as a long time investment.. Its usualy something in your household thats stays for quite some time.. So rather spend a tad too much than too little on it. Save up.. Your old tv is not broken.. so there is no hurry..so dont rush..

In germany you have the benefit that everything you order online you can give back within 14 days no questions asked full refund incl. Shipping.. Its called fernabsatzgesetzt.
If you have something like tat in the states use it.. Order a tv test it, not satisfied send it back.

As for direct recommendations thats fucked up because every company calls all their series compketly different in every region.. So its difficult to track down individual tvs.. Sometimes they dont even have them but change stuff thats different in regions like tuner & co and the end up as a completly different model.

Again i personaly would not recommend any cheap plasma..

Good luck finding youre tv.

Eraser wrote:Oh, this might be an interesting read for those who believe paying for expensive HDMI cables is worth the money:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digit ... ry-vs-hdmi

Welcome back to reality

edit:
The most surprising thing to me when reading that article was actually the fact that it's possible to spend 3000 quid on a HDMI cable

If you're in the US or Canada http://www.monoprice.com Their prices are insanely cheap and the cables are great.

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Thanks for the link, GH

toats mcgoats, nice linkage

Giraffe }{unter wrote: If you're in the US or Canada http://www.monoprice.com Their prices are insanely cheap and the cables are great.

Thanks for the link GH, those are great prices.