it's official... we knew it was gonna happen

Post by **arak0r** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 5:17 am

a while ago i saw this thing on espn about a league they brainstormed up, seemed pretty cool, tho i doubt it was real, and if it was, that they could get it to happen :\

Post by **arak0r** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 5:18 am

http://espn.go.com/swf/nhl/espnhl/espnhl.html

Post by **Massive Quasars** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 5:40 am

Athletes deserve shit salaries, they do fuckall. Of course I could say the same thing about rappers, most musicians, and actors.

Post by **Massive Quasars** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 6:37 am

Then again they are simply exploiting a system in which the population that enjoys all these forms of entertainment lines the pockets of the entertainers and the businesses behind them.

Post by **Massive Quasars** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 6:46 am

I blame America.

Post by **glossy** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 9:35 am

Massive Quasars wrote:I blame America.

i also !

Post by **R00k** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 2:21 pm

Massive Quasars wrote:I blame capitalism with no restraints.

It's the system that's creating these situations, not the players or the execs.

Greed is the new enlightenment and self-development.

But if I had to name one job or area that was most at fault for a lot of our problems, it would be advertising. If there weren't such a hefty fee to project your product's image into the mainstream conscious, there would be a lot less money getting in the way of sports, and a lot of other things.

Post by **HM-PuFFNSTuFF** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 2:23 pm

Players yield on salary cap

FROM CANADIAN PRESS

NEW YORK — The No. 1 issue that has plagued the NHL lockout went out the window last night when the NHL Players' Association offered a deal that included a $52 million (U.S.) salary cap.

The surprising move was made by NHLPA senior director Ted Saskin during his secret meeting with NHL executive vice-president Bill Daly in Niagara Falls, N.Y.

Daly began the process yesterday by offering a $40 million salary cap without "linkage" — a fixed link between player costs and league revenues, which has long been the centrepiece of the NHL's bid for cost certainty.

The union counter-offered with the $52-million team-by-team salary cap, which was rejected by the NHL. The players' proposal also featured more aggressive payroll tax thresholds and tax rates on team payrolls.

"It is indeed unfortunate that with the major steps taken by both sides today we were unable to build enough momentum to reach an agreement," Saskin said in a statement released early Tuesday morning.

The union's offer also included the 24 per cent salary rollback on all existing contracts.

Post by **R00k** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 2:28 pm

Greed

Post by **GONNAFISTYA** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 3:03 pm

Again...even if the owners got their "salary cap" they'd still break it and work around it to further their team's potential.

Greed. It's not just for breakfast anymore.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 8:14 pm

Massive Quasars wrote:Athletes deserve shit salaries, they do fuckall. Of course I could say the same thing about rappers, most musicians, and actors.

People like you bug me. They don't do fuckall if they did YOU could do their job. The fact is you can't, most likely because you don't have the devotion they did for the sport. There's nothing wrong with being able to admit that either. However if you want to be a complete ignorant cunt then go ahead.

Post by **saturn** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 8:19 pm

losCHUNK wrote:
Don Carlos wrote:
saturn wrote:icehocky?

:icon19:
bastard, theyre shutting down the devils for the likes of you

hello, i live in holland, we don't play icehockey here ;p

Post by **R00k** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 8:21 pm

Kracus wrote:
Massive Quasars wrote:Athletes deserve shit salaries, they do fuckall. Of course I could say the same thing about rappers, most musicians, and actors.
People like you bug me. They don't do fuckall if they did YOU could do their job. The fact is you can't, most likely because you don't have the devotion they did for the sport. There's nothing wrong with being able to admit that either. However if you want to be a complete ignorant cunt then go ahead.

Bullshit. I may not be able to do it, but there are thousands and thousands of people out there who train just as hard and who are just as talented, but who can't make it into the limited upper echelon of people who get paid millions to.

You think your mother couldn't do as good a job singing as Jessica Simpson's little sister?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 8:21 pm

No you play icehockey, you just don't play it well.

Post by **saturn** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 8:22 pm

10 morons play it here.

Post by **The HavoX** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 8:21 pm

Full text of the statement by NHL commissioner Gary Bettman announcing the cancellation of the 2004-05 season:

"Every professional sports league owes its very existence to its fans. Everyone associated with the National Hockey League owes our fans an apology for being unable to accomplish what is necessary for our game and our fans. We are truly sorry.

"Five months ago, I stated that the National Hockey League could not function without an economic system that will bring our league into the 21st century. I said that our 30 clubs were united in their dedication to an economic system under which the teams and players, sharing common objectives and a commitment to our fans' satisfaction, would work together as partners.

"The time since then has been devoted to the pursuit of that goal. Today, I can tell you that our determination remains every bit as strong as it was in September to secure the partnership required to protect and ensure the future of the league . . . for the benefit of the clubs, the players, and our devoted fans.

"When I stood before you in September, I said NHL teams would not play again until our economic problems had been solved. As I stand before you today, it is my sad duty to announce that because that solution has not yet been attained, it no longer is practical to conduct even an abbreviated season. Accordingly, I have no choice but to announce the formal cancellation of play for 2004-05.

"We profoundly regret the suffering this has caused our fans, our business partners and the thousands of people who depend on our industry for their livelihoods. We will continue to explore and pursue all available options in order to achieve a successful resolution to this dispute and to get the best game in the world back where it belongs -- on the ice, in front of the best fans in the world.

"As I also said in September, what we must do now is not about the present or the short-term needs of this season. Rather, it is about the future of our league and 30 teams.

"The National Hockey League was formed in 1917, and it has played a season through to a championship in every year but 1919. Through the decades and the generations we have faced a variety of crises and challenges -- some of which seemed catastrophic at the time. The league persevered through all those adversities and the league will persevere through this one, as well -- to emerge with a framework for the future, one that is fair to everyone -- where our players are fairly paid, receiving what we can afford -- no more, no less.

"This is a sad, regrettable day that all of us wish could have been avoided.''

Post by **Freakaloin** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 8:23 pm

lol...sports r gay...nice distraction to keep u from paying attention to the things that are important...

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 8:29 pm

R00k wrote:
Kracus wrote:
Massive Quasars wrote:Athletes deserve shit salaries, they do fuckall. Of course I could say the same thing about rappers, most musicians, and actors.
People like you bug me. They don't do fuckall if they did YOU could do their job. The fact is you can't, most likely because you don't have the devotion they did for the sport. There's nothing wrong with being able to admit that either. However if you want to be a complete ignorant cunt then go ahead.
Bullshit. I may not be able to do it, but there are thousands and thousands of people out there who train just as hard and who are just as talented, but who can't make it into the limited upper echelon of people who get paid millions to.

You think your mother couldn't do as good a job singing as Jessica Simpson's little sister?

I'm not talking about singers and actors I'm talking about athletes. No pro athlete goes pro for being untalented. Some have more talent than others but overall they are all talented, especialy the high paid players and they do dedicate their lives to what they do. The only ones that don't are the brutes, in the NHL and those are the only ones I can think of that aren't extremely skilled but they are still pretty decent hockey players. If you think people are just born hockey players then you're wrong, it's that simple, it takes years of sacrifice to go pro. That's not just hockey either, pretty much any major sport.

Post by **Nightshade** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 8:41 pm

The problem, aside from the fact that you're an idiot, is that you think people deserve to get paid a boatload of money to PLAY A FUCKING GAME. A GAME, KRACUS. Not cure cancer, not educate children, or heal the sick, but throw a fucking ball through a hoop.

edit: A GAME.

Post by **plained** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 8:44 pm

salery caps are

an individual should have the right to get whatever they can get for thier services.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 8:47 pm

Why don't you try reading what I type meatball instead of just sprouting your ignorant shit.

I'm not talking about pay. I'm talking about the ammount of work atheletes do for their job. My argument is not about money, I agree they get paid way too much, granted they are the reason millions of people watch tv and company's pay millions for advertisments which really, where else should this money go?

But aside from that my point is that athletes work hard, they don't have an easy life in that regard, yes they do make a fortune and retire early but during the time they work they aren't doing nothing.

Post by **Nightshade** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 8:50 pm

Hey, teachers and fucking garbagemen work rather hard as well.

Post by **plained** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 8:51 pm

Nightshade wrote:Hey, teachers and fucking garbagemen work rather hard as well.

:lol:

how do you see a real comparison there :lol:

o wait thats right i know how :lol:

Post by **Nightshade** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 9:10 pm

It's as relevant as Krasuc commenting on amount of work in the middle of a discussion on salaries.

Post by **R00k** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 9:11 pm

Kracus wrote:
R00k wrote:
Kracus wrote: People like you bug me. They don't do fuckall if they did YOU could do their job. The fact is you can't, most likely because you don't have the devotion they did for the sport. There's nothing wrong with being able to admit that either. However if you want to be a complete ignorant cunt then go ahead.
Bullshit. I may not be able to do it, but there are thousands and thousands of people out there who train just as hard and who are just as talented, but who can't make it into the limited upper echelon of people who get paid millions to.

You think your mother couldn't do as good a job singing as Jessica Simpson's little sister?
I'm not talking about singers and actors I'm talking about athletes. No pro athlete goes pro for being untalented. Some have more talent than others but overall they are all talented, especialy the high paid players and they do dedicate their lives to what they do. The only ones that don't are the brutes, in the NHL and those are the only ones I can think of that aren't extremely skilled but they are still pretty decent hockey players. If you think people are just born hockey players then you're wrong, it's that simple, it takes years of sacrifice to go pro. That's not just hockey either, pretty much any major sport.

The difference is, you said that no one else could do their job. I don't know what you're trying to argue now, but you're backpeddling from what you said earlier.

There are tons of other people who could and would love to have those jobs. The people who manage to get them get greedy -- and if they were as dedicated to the sport as you say they are, they wouldn't risk ruining the entire sport based on their salaries, which are already ungodly amounts.