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Re: Chrome wins

Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 8:34 pm
by HomerJ
obsidian wrote:
HomerJ wrote:I know it's a noob question, but I honestly don't know. Is there any real benefit of one browser over the next for the casual web surfer? I use Safari cause it's already preloaded on my laptop, but I've never had like a "this sucks, I want to switch browsers" type of epiphany. Do browsers really effect speed? I figured they'd all be about the same, the internet connection being the main factor.
Firefox, Safari, Chrome, Opera, they're all decent browsers that are frequently updated to maintain web standards and have decent interfaces which work well. The browser fanboys on various forums are analogous to fanboys of operating systems, video game consoles, smart phones, sci-fi shows, etc. etc. The morons who claim that browser X is 1^-Y milliseconds faster at loading a webpage because it "feels" faster are tiresome mouthbreathers who need to have their heads stomped in and then stabbed with their own skull fragments.

The only browser that sucks is Internet Explorer, because Microsoft hadn't bothered to stick to web standards and came up with a whole bunch of proprietary stuff and ways in which it reads markup differently. Microsoft plunged the internet into a web standards dark ages for almost a decade between the fall of Netscape and the beginnings of Firebird (now rebranded as Firefox). Safari and Chrome followed suit with Firefox in sticking with standards compliance and now Microsoft is trying to play catch-up.

The biggest problem for web developers are all the people who insist on running older, broken versions of IE with all its security holes, either because they are old people stuck on computers from the 90's, or because their retarded IT departments insist on sticking with older browsers because of some antiquated in-house software that depends on a stupid ActiveX feature which no one in IT understands how it works anymore but admitting it would probably mean they get fired.
:up: Thank you for the informative post and keeping it simple for the lay person.

Re: Chrome wins

Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 9:54 pm
by U4EA
Eraser wrote:You probably never got involved in developing websites or webapps then?
Dabbled in it briefly at my previous job around the time when IE7 was released [which broke some major website components of our software that were basically written to cater for IE6 idiosyncrasies]. To be fair, it was a terrible hassle.

At my current job, I thankfully don't have to deal with it, we have a whole team which handles the website framework and code.

Re: Chrome wins

Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 10:01 pm
by GONNAFISTYA
Eraser wrote:
U4EA wrote:I wish I could get this worked up about what Internet browsers other people use.
You probably never got involved in developing websites or webapps then?
Ok...so lemme get this straight: you're on record of stating that you wish people would update their browsers to make your job easier...and yet you admit that your PC can't play some games because you haven't upgraded it in roughly 6000 years?

Re: Chrome wins

Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 10:04 pm
by EtUL
That's only a contradiction if you're a moron.

Re: Chrome wins

Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 2:42 am
by obsidian
feedback wrote:Firefox made itself suck with a broken resource-hogging update that crippled performance AND made text unreadable. Haven't used it since, that's when I switched to Chrome.
Works fine for me. I don't understand the performance argument when it comes to browsers, like you notice any memory footprint on your gaming PCs with 16GB of RAM as if your choice of browser will slow down your page loading by 1/10000000th of a second. Seems a recurring theme among Chrome users is that Firefox version way-back-when didn't work for me so I switched to Chrome and never looked back, even though Google will also occasionally produce a bad/buggy version. Don't get me wrong, if you happened to just like Chrome better because it suits you, that's cool. But I really don't get it when actual performance benchmarks have shown that resources and performance are pretty much even between the two. 99% of everything people view on their browser is pure HTML/CSS/Javascript anyway, it's not like it is any different than what computers used to do 10 years ago.

Re: Chrome wins

Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 8:12 am
by Eraser
GONNAFISTYA wrote:Ok...so lemme get this straight: you're on record of stating that you wish people would update their browsers to make your job easier...and yet you admit that your PC can't play some games because you haven't upgraded it in roughly 6000 years?
You make absolutely 0 sense there gonnapoopya.

Re: Chrome wins

Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 8:21 am
by Eraser
obsidian wrote:
feedback wrote:Firefox made itself suck with a broken resource-hogging update that crippled performance AND made text unreadable. Haven't used it since, that's when I switched to Chrome.
Works fine for me. I don't understand the performance argument when it comes to browsers, like you notice any memory footprint on your gaming PCs with 16GB of RAM as if your choice of browser will slow down your page loading by 1/10000000th of a second. Seems a recurring theme among Chrome users is that Firefox version way-back-when didn't work for me so I switched to Chrome and never looked back, even though Google will also occasionally produce a bad/buggy version. Don't get me wrong, if you happened to just like Chrome better because it suits you, that's cool. But I really don't get it when actual performance benchmarks have shown that resources and performance are pretty much even between the two. 99% of everything people view on their browser is pure HTML/CSS/Javascript anyway, it's not like it is any different than what computers used to do 10 years ago.
You're right in most of the cases, but when you're running a webapp that consists of over 21 megabytes of JavaScript then you need a fast browser. For most normal websites you're right that it doesn't make a whole lot of difference, but especially when running JavaScript heavy applications, the speed of the JS parser definitely makes a noticeable difference.

But other than that, browser choice is often a matter of preference for a certain set of features. The developer tools available for Firefox are unmatched as far as I'm concerned, although Chrome comes close with the build in developer tools. It's just that I'm used to Firefox (made the switch from Netscape Navigator to Firefox ages ago) and really haven't felt the need to switch to Chrome yet, even though it is faster when it comes to JavaScript parsing.

Re: Chrome wins

Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 9:48 am
by MKJ
the new devcycles from firefox are all fine and dandy, but them latest builds to tend to have huge memory leaks. something I notice when developing and having the same (jsheavy) page open for a while.
stuttering in animations for instance, both js and css3.

Re: Chrome wins

Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 10:58 pm
by LawL
Strong virgins in this thread.

Re: Chrome wins

Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 11:18 pm
by Tsakali
What really bugs me in firefox most of all, is that little orange button on the top left. For some reason it makes the entire UI feel bulky. That orange color just gives it too much weight..it feels trolly, and somehow ruins the otherwise ok layout. It's like that squished bug on the windshield that permeates agitation all throughout your otherwise clear view.

Re: Chrome wins

Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 11:30 pm
by Tsakali
and what's the deal with css shadow parameters? ie firefox and chrome give different results for the same values...even when using their inexplicably unnecessary - browser specific syntax.

Re: Chrome wins

Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 11:40 pm
by EtUL
^^^Case in point, Lawl

Re: Chrome wins

Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 1:20 am
by duffman91
Memphis wrote:name one good software product by microsoft...
  • System Center Operations Manager
    System Center Configuration Manager
    System Center Endpoint Protection
    Office 2010
    Visual Studio
    Exchange
    Server 2008 R2
Regarding browsers, I think they all suck. Firefox seems unstable, IE 9 has terrible font aliasing, and Chrome has too many bugs with YouTube....

Re: Chrome wins

Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 1:22 am
by duffman91
obsidian wrote:
HomerJ wrote:
The biggest problem for web developers are all the people who insist on running older, broken versions of IE with all its security holes, either because they are old people stuck on computers from the 90's, or because their retarded IT departments insist on sticking with older browsers because of some antiquated in-house software that depends on a stupid ActiveX feature which no one in IT understands how it works anymore but admitting it would probably mean they get fired.


Pass Through LDAP Authentication. Only thing keeping IE on top of other browsers in the enterprise.

Re: Chrome wins

Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 1:34 am
by Transient
duffman91 wrote:Chrome has too many bugs with YouTube....
You'd think that would get fixed quick... :offended:

Re: Chrome wins

Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 5:19 pm
by Plan B
Content FF12.0 user here.

Fuck off nerds.