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Yeah, my thoughts exactly, other than the not supporting the death penalty bit.
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given that facing imminent death seems to be the best time to find jesus, it's a wonder he has any friends left
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really? you're ok with the occasional innocent person getting killed by the state thanks to lousy forensic work and bureaucratic fuckups?Nightshade wrote:Yeah, my thoughts exactly, other than the not supporting the death penalty bit.
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Yeah, when reading these, does it make more sense to read the rap sheet or the final words first?0psys wrote:I'm not a supporter of the death penalty by any means, but it's harrowing reading arguably noble-sounding final statements, but then flicking to the case history and seeing that the guy raped and killed a kid.
Fuck them.
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Would you be for an irrefutable proof death penalty system? One where only people that blatantly committed the crime would be put to death? Such as the Colorado dude...seremtan wrote:really? you're ok with the occasional innocent person getting killed by the state thanks to lousy forensic work and bureaucratic fuckups?Nightshade wrote:Yeah, my thoughts exactly, other than the not supporting the death penalty bit.
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He's been going into crazyville for awhile now. A year ago I'd be surprised at his post...but not today.seremtan wrote:really? you're ok with the occasional innocent person getting killed by the state thanks to lousy forensic work and bureaucratic fuckups?Nightshade wrote:Yeah, my thoughts exactly, other than the not supporting the death penalty bit.
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It's a bit far-left to discredit the death penalty on the basis that innocent people lose their lives. Innocent people lose their lives falling from roofs; that doesn't mean we need to oppose the construction industry. It means the system needs to improve to protect people.seremtan wrote:really? you're ok with the occasional innocent person getting killed by the state thanks to lousy forensic work and bureaucratic fuckups?Nightshade wrote:Yeah, my thoughts exactly, other than the not supporting the death penalty bit.
I don't support the death penalty by the way, but not because of innocent people dying.
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Do we have to ask?
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I didn't state that in any way, shape, or form. I'm not a little boy, don't try to stick things in my mouth, even if it's just words in this case.seremtan wrote:
really? you're ok with the occasional innocent person getting killed by the state thanks to lousy forensic work and bureaucratic fuckups?
In all seriousness, I would support a moratorium on the death penalty as it's implemented now. WHOA! What's this? But he just said -- Yeah, stay with me, you slack-jawed fuckwits, I'm complex. The current system is utterly broken, unbalanced, and completely unfair. So, the death penalty should probably be halted until we have a system in place that can absolutely eliminate the possibility that an innocent person would be put to death. But, I support the idea of capital punishment. For people like this James Holmes asshole, just shoot the fucker. There's no doubt that he's guilty, I don't care what his reasons were or what the kinks in his cortex are, just shoot the bastard. For most capital murder cases, there's just too many chances that an innocent person could be put to death, and that's unacceptable.
Note, I'm laughing my ass off at the thought of GFY trying to wrap his fat brain around these statements.
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Why I don't support it? I just don't like the idea of a government having the legal right to kill.
The death penalty is a pretty reasonable concept, though.
The death penalty is a pretty reasonable concept, though.
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It seems like some of these quotes continue past the allotted time for last words, and into the time that they're actually on the gurney. I noticed a few of these quotes referencing the ability to "taste it." Are they literally talking about the poison or are they all making vague references to their anticipation?
This line only remake is total rubbish I've ever seen!!! Fuck off!!! --CZghost
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Noticed that, too. Pretty fucking ghoulish.
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One of my favorites from the list:
What is about to transpire in a few moments is wrong! However, we as human beings do make mistakes and errors. This execution is one of those wrongs yet doesn’t mean our whole system of justice is wrong. Therefore, I would forgive all who have taken part in any way in my death. Also, to anyone I have offended in any way during my 39 years, I pray and ask your forgiveness, just as I forgive anyone who offended me in any way. And I pray and ask God’s forgiveness for all of us respectively as human beings. To my loved ones, I extend my undying love. To those close to me, know in your hearts I love you one and all. God bless you all and may God’s best blessings be always yours. Ronald C. O’Bryan P.S. During my time here, I have been treated well by all T.D.C. personnel.
Convicted of murdering his son, Timothy O'Bryan, by poisoning his Halloween candy with cyanide.
What is about to transpire in a few moments is wrong! However, we as human beings do make mistakes and errors. This execution is one of those wrongs yet doesn’t mean our whole system of justice is wrong. Therefore, I would forgive all who have taken part in any way in my death. Also, to anyone I have offended in any way during my 39 years, I pray and ask your forgiveness, just as I forgive anyone who offended me in any way. And I pray and ask God’s forgiveness for all of us respectively as human beings. To my loved ones, I extend my undying love. To those close to me, know in your hearts I love you one and all. God bless you all and may God’s best blessings be always yours. Ronald C. O’Bryan P.S. During my time here, I have been treated well by all T.D.C. personnel.
Convicted of murdering his son, Timothy O'Bryan, by poisoning his Halloween candy with cyanide.
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Sorry man, but with your comments the last while defending...you know...crazy stuff, I had guessed that you'd had enough, gone over the deep end and totally gave up on society. If not, great. If so, then stay locked on your house cleaning your gun. Check that...after reading your other posts today I think it best you lock yourself in your panic room and wait for the bad guys with machetes to move onto the next house.Nightshade wrote:I didn't state that in any way, shape, or form. I'm not a little boy, don't try to stick things in my mouth, even if it's just words in this case.seremtan wrote:
really? you're ok with the occasional innocent person getting killed by the state thanks to lousy forensic work and bureaucratic fuckups?
In all seriousness, I would support a moratorium on the death penalty as it's implemented now. WHOA! What's this? But he just said -- Yeah, stay with me, you slack-jawed fuckwits, I'm complex. The current system is utterly broken, unbalanced, and completely unfair. So, the death penalty should probably be halted until we have a system in place that can absolutely eliminate the possibility that an innocent person would be put to death. But, I support the idea of capital punishment. For people like this James Holmes asshole, just shoot the fucker. There's no doubt that he's guilty, I don't care what his reasons were or what the kinks in his cortex are, just shoot the bastard. For most capital murder cases, there's just too many chances that an innocent person could be put to death, and that's unacceptable.
Note, I'm laughing my ass off at the thought of GFY trying to wrap his fat brain around these statements.
One thing though...you stated you don't care about why that Holmes cunt did it, or what the kinks in his cortex are doing, but I'd submit to you that those are the two most important things in this and lots of other mass shootings: mental health problems and how they're basically ignored/ostracized by western society. You know...the actual reason why mass murder shootings occur. Until you deal with this (or better yet, fucking acknowledge the problem exists) then it'll just keep happening over and over and your circular clusterfuck of logic will continue. My point to you in the other thread was that perhaps crazy people shouldn't be allowed to get guns legally.
You lazy fucks are sweeping an obvious societal problem under the rug with the cozy disposition that it was a "lone crazy" when there are so many - who happen to be able to get guns legally - waiting to make the headlines.
Lemme guess: I'm an ultra-lefty for even bringing it up?
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You're either an idiot or you haven't read my other post in the gun thread. I'm thinking both.
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I'm trying to keep up with your crazy in two threads.
And from your response should I assume that you feel the mental health problem isn't something that should be considered?
And from your response should I assume that you feel the mental health problem isn't something that should be considered?
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GFY isn't an idiot. He simply disagrees with you...Nightshade wrote:You're either an idiot or you haven't read my other post in the gun thread. I'm thinking both.
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It's not even a matter of disagreeing. I can't even get him to answer a straight question.xer0s wrote:GFY isn't an idiot. He simply disagrees with you...Nightshade wrote:You're either an idiot or you haven't read my other post in the gun thread. I'm thinking both.
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yeah but the construction industry doesn't deem people falling to their deaths from roofs an desirable or acceptable outcome. the corrections industry (in some countries) does. that's the difference between an accidental and a deliberate death0psys wrote:It's a bit far-left to discredit the death penalty on the basis that innocent people lose their lives. Innocent people lose their lives falling from roofs; that doesn't mean we need to oppose the construction industry. It means the system needs to improve to protect people.seremtan wrote:really? you're ok with the occasional innocent person getting killed by the state thanks to lousy forensic work and bureaucratic fuckups?
there are several difficulties with 'improving the system': one is that any improvement would likely involve tilting the system a little more in favour of the defendant - usually not a popular move in most countries, where people tend to assume that someone accused of a serious crime (like murder) is probably guilty, even when the evidence against them is extremely thin. it seems sometimes that people think that every accusation of murder is open and shut, like james holmes or anders breivik, and it isn't. secondly, systems are only as good as the people who work in them, and those people can be overworked, lazy, incompetent etc. the thought that someone can be put to death by the state because some moron wasn't paying attention is pretty scary. lastly, if the system could be improved to avoid wrongful convictions, don't you think that would have happened by now? and isn't the reason that it hasn't happened a combination of the above factors - popular opposition and individual error?
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Thank you for proving beyond the shadow of a doubt that you have the reading comprehension skills of a sack of wet cement. I stated very clearly, at least clear to the non-hard of thinking, that this country has a massively shitty mental healthcare system and it's a contributing factor in gun violence. I see this firsthand every day, my wife is a regional director for a mental health/social services organization (she's also been a social worker for a looooooong time, I have lots of Jerry Springer stories, the most amusing of which was the guy that paid her with venison), and my mom has been a mental health counselor for 30 years.GONNAFISTYA wrote:I'm trying to keep up with your crazy in two threads.
And from your response should I assume that you feel the mental health problem isn't something that should be considered?
I know this is not the first time I've said this, sure it won't be the last, but PUT DOWN THE FUCKING BONG, FATTY.
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TO be even MORE clear about this, here's something from my FB wall addressed to someone with whom I was having a very similar discussion:
"Yes, this is a multi-faceted problem, but I would again refer to the Swiss. They accept gun ownership and the associated responsibility, they also have weapons readily available, yet virtually no gun crime.
So, what do we do? First we accept that inanimate objects don't murder people. Then we look at the problem, not the symptom. There are THOUSANDS of gun control laws across the US, they only keep law-abiding, sane citizens in check. Just like locks on doors only keep honest people honest. Enforce the existing laws, for starters. Reasonable restrictions on gun ownership are both constitutional and rational. Background checks, waiting periods, these existing laws are things that no one should have a problem with.
Then you have to look at the deeper issues, and these are the ones that people are afraid to discuss. Crazy people are going to find ways to kill other people, this will NEVER stop. To ameliorate this to some extent at least, there needs to be a LOT more funding for mental health care in the US. NO ONE wants to try to find the money for that, sadly.
Vast economic disparities between social strata, drug abuse, hopelessness, lousy or no parenting, many, MANY factors are at work in the course of events that lead up to someone valuing another life so little that they blow that person away for a pair of shoes or an argument gone south. None of these things are can be fixed quickly, and banning or further restricting legitimate gun ownership will do nothing to change that.
For people like Jared Loughner, James Holmes, and their ilk? No trial, no media circus, no airing of their manifesto, no plea bargains, nothing. They were caught red-handed, so up against the wall, two in the chest, one in the head. Problem solved."
Note that I do agree with you about the need to examine the psyches of people like Loughner and Holmes. My comments in the quote above and in regards to the death penalty here were aimed at the media fucktards that give these freaks the exposure they so desperately crave and as examples of when I feel the death penalty is warranted, respectively.
If you need a clearer explanation than that, too bad. I don't have any crayons and don't want to find a Retard's Thesaurus to get smaller words for you.
"Yes, this is a multi-faceted problem, but I would again refer to the Swiss. They accept gun ownership and the associated responsibility, they also have weapons readily available, yet virtually no gun crime.
So, what do we do? First we accept that inanimate objects don't murder people. Then we look at the problem, not the symptom. There are THOUSANDS of gun control laws across the US, they only keep law-abiding, sane citizens in check. Just like locks on doors only keep honest people honest. Enforce the existing laws, for starters. Reasonable restrictions on gun ownership are both constitutional and rational. Background checks, waiting periods, these existing laws are things that no one should have a problem with.
Then you have to look at the deeper issues, and these are the ones that people are afraid to discuss. Crazy people are going to find ways to kill other people, this will NEVER stop. To ameliorate this to some extent at least, there needs to be a LOT more funding for mental health care in the US. NO ONE wants to try to find the money for that, sadly.
Vast economic disparities between social strata, drug abuse, hopelessness, lousy or no parenting, many, MANY factors are at work in the course of events that lead up to someone valuing another life so little that they blow that person away for a pair of shoes or an argument gone south. None of these things are can be fixed quickly, and banning or further restricting legitimate gun ownership will do nothing to change that.
For people like Jared Loughner, James Holmes, and their ilk? No trial, no media circus, no airing of their manifesto, no plea bargains, nothing. They were caught red-handed, so up against the wall, two in the chest, one in the head. Problem solved."
Note that I do agree with you about the need to examine the psyches of people like Loughner and Holmes. My comments in the quote above and in regards to the death penalty here were aimed at the media fucktards that give these freaks the exposure they so desperately crave and as examples of when I feel the death penalty is warranted, respectively.
If you need a clearer explanation than that, too bad. I don't have any crayons and don't want to find a Retard's Thesaurus to get smaller words for you.
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Yeah fat jokes how quaint.Nightshade wrote:Thank you for proving beyond the shadow of a doubt that you have the reading comprehension skills of a sack of wet cement. I stated very clearly, at least clear to the non-hard of thinking, that this country has a massively shitty mental healthcare system and it's a contributing factor in gun violence. I see this firsthand every day, my wife is a regional director for a mental health/social services organization (she's also been a social worker for a looooooong time, I have lots of Jerry Springer stories, the most amusing of which was the guy that paid her with venison), and my mom has been a mental health counselor for 30 years.GONNAFISTYA wrote:I'm trying to keep up with your crazy in two threads.
And from your response should I assume that you feel the mental health problem isn't something that should be considered?
I know this is not the first time I've said this, sure it won't be the last, but PUT DOWN THE FUCKING BONG, FATTY.
Sorry I missed your short comment that addressed my question buried in a brick-ton of yank madness. Like I said, I was at work and didn't really keep up between compiles. I never questioned your owning a gun, just the reasons for it. You're an angry, paranoid douchebag who thinks the world is falling apart and goes through life packing heat because he thinks it's everyone else that is crazy. Go shoot a death-row inmate you fucking loon.
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Again, thank you go proving that you can't refute (or apparently even understand) a rational argument. You've been calling me crazy, etc. and just being insulting in general, and now you act all indignant over a fat joke?
You questioned my views on mental healthcare, I point out that I had already commented on the fact that it was a problem needing to be fixed, and you respond with a pissy comment about gun ownership? How the fuck did I ever think you possessed even a smattering of intelligence? By the way, you can keep on enjoying the retarded assumptions you have to make (since you can't have an actual debate), because guess what? I DON'T OWN A FUCKING GUN. HAHAHAHAAAAA!
You questioned my views on mental healthcare, I point out that I had already commented on the fact that it was a problem needing to be fixed, and you respond with a pissy comment about gun ownership? How the fuck did I ever think you possessed even a smattering of intelligence? By the way, you can keep on enjoying the retarded assumptions you have to make (since you can't have an actual debate), because guess what? I DON'T OWN A FUCKING GUN. HAHAHAHAAAAA!