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MKJ wrote:

xer0s wrote:lol, I guarantee if this tornado had gone through any of your neighborhoods, you'd have the same outcome...

Is this based on your expertise as an acedemic meteorologist or practical architect?

It's based on my expertise of this forum and coming to the conclusion that Ryoki and Eraser are extremely pretentious and think they're an expert on eveything. But in reality they know nothing of the power of tornados and nothing of the way people build their homes in other places of the world, except with what they've seen on some renovation program on TV...

andyman wrote:

Ryoki wrote:That's not even a meter or so of penetration, and that curb is obviously made of non reinforced concrete, because why the hell would anyone do that. Now i'm no engineer, but i bet Drums left testicle that if that curb had been made out of the same materials you build houses of for some inexplicable reason, the whole fucking thing would have shattered.

There's a certain incomprehensible fatalism in this argument... because things made out of concrete, steel and stone still get damaged, we might as well build everything out of plywood, because nothing can stop the sheer power of a hurricane. Seriously? Ok.

holy shit you're stupid... but keep going, this is gold that you're posting

Right?

They've certainly never heard a tornado siren.

xer0s wrote: It's based on my expertise of this forum and coming to the conclusion that Ryoki and Eraser are extremely pretentious and think they're an expert on eveything. But in reality they know nothing of the power of tornados and nothing of the way people build their homes in other places of the world, except with what they've seen on some renovation program on TV...

Spot on...these guys are morons of epic proportions!...

Ryoki, you really have no idea what a tornado is capable of.

As shitty as most North American housing standards are, there's no such thing as a tornado-proof house, short of living in a military-grade bunker. An F4 or F5 twister has no problem destroying houses made of brick and stone and other concrete buildings. In storms like this, even people hiding in open basements can still get swept away. Stop embarrassing yourself.

Ryoki is simply recalling what he learned of structural integrity against high winds from the tale of the 3 little pigs.

Ryoki wrote: There's a certain incomprehensible fatalism in this argument... because things made out of concrete, steel and stone still get damaged, we might as well build everything out of plywood, because nothing can stop the sheer power of a hurricane. Seriously? Ok.

FYI Tornado's aren't hurricanes and afaik most new homes in hurricane areas are concrete and hurricane proof. No one is going to spend 500k on a bunker when you can build something just as safe and effective for 99% of weather related situation in that region for 200k.

ryoki...the newest laughing stock of the internet ...

No doubt brick houses would be better suited ! but houses along the south coast of England shed their roofs at the 1st sign of a breeze, 200mph is a tall order.

You'd think people in these areas would atleast try to minimise the damage and do what the UK does by using brick instead, so that they don't fall over. It wouldn't be hard to believe that the majority of damage is caused outside of the tornados footprint n all, away from the higher windspeeds.

I do fail to understand use of wood for building materials in yankland, anyone can buy a plot of land and build a shed. Infact they do, they're called pikeys, you don't need planning permission for the 1st 15 years cos technically its not a house.

losCHUNK wrote:No doubt brick houses would be better suited ! but houses along the south coast of England shed their roofs at the 1st sign of a breeze, 200mph is a tall order.

You'd think people in these areas would atleast try to minimise the damage and do what the UK does by using brick instead, so that they don't fall over. It wouldn't be hard to believe that the majority of damage is caused outside of the tornados footprint n all, away from the higher windspeeds.

I do fail to understand use of wood for building materials in yankland, anyone can buy a plot of land and build a shed. Infact they do, they're called pikeys, you don't need planning permission for the 1st 15 years cos technically its not a house.

another ignorant moron types words...

scared? wrote:
another ignorant moron types words...

Don't be mad that in the UK you'd be downgraded from pooron to homeless

ur country is a shithole and u think its nice? when i was there i was appalled at the living conditions...

pathetic...

You sound bitter, must be the sight of houses that appear to have been constructed by wizards

Forgive my ignorance, I do not come from a country that makes something more luxurious by simply making it bigger

lol the faux yank outrage in this thread is laughable.

Yes, your chances of an ENTIRE TOWN NOT BEING ERASED FROM EXISTENCE would indeed IMPROVE if you made your buildings out of brick and mortar. Why you fools are arguing against that is nothing short of retardation writ large as all you're doing is defending your practices of building shit as cheaply as possible.

But I have a better idea that, for some reason, isn't even being considered: move away from something called "tornado alley".

Eurotrash, Asia-fags and North American neanderthal morons would all justifiably laugh at someone who continues to pitch a tent on a freeway after getting hit by cars over and over again, so it's really not too far out of line to point out that perhaps Dorothy and her family should move somewhere else. It doesn't matter if you've put "roots" there, as nearly everyone on the planet who isn't an energy-industry lobbyist will tell you those roots will eventually be ripped out of the ground by yet another mile-wide F5 tornado...which due to climate change will happen more and more often.

GONNAFISTYA wrote:lol the faux yank outrage in this thread is laughable.

Yes, your chances of an ENTIRE TOWN NOT BEING ERASED FROM EXISTENCE would indeed IMPROVE if you made your buildings out of brick and mortar. Why you fools are arguing against that is nothing short of retardation writ large as all you're doing is defending your practices of building shit as cheaply as possible.

But I have a better idea that, for some reason, isn't even being considered: move away from something called "tornado alley".

Eurotrash, Asia-fags and North American neanderthal morons would all justifiably laugh at someone who continues to pitch a tent on a freeway after getting hit by cars over and over again, so it's really not too far out of line to point out that perhaps Dorothy and her family should move somewhere else. It doesn't matter if you've put "roots" there, as nearly everyone on the planet who isn't an energy-industry lobbyist will tell you those roots will eventually be ripped out of the ground by yet another mile-wide F5 tornado...which due to climate change will happen more and more often.

Lol wut?...

GONNAFISTYA wrote:lol the faux yank outrage in this thread is laughable.

Yes, your chances of an ENTIRE TOWN NOT BEING ERASED FROM EXISTENCE would indeed IMPROVE if you made your buildings out of brick and mortar. Why you fools are arguing against that is nothing short of retardation writ large as all you're doing is defending your practices of building shit as cheaply as possible.

But I have a better idea that, for some reason, isn't even being considered: move away from something called "tornado alley".

Eurotrash, Asia-fags and North American neanderthal morons would all justifiably laugh at someone who continues to pitch a tent on a freeway after getting hit by cars over and over again, so it's really not too far out of line to point out that perhaps Dorothy and her family should move somewhere else. It doesn't matter if you've put "roots" there, as nearly everyone on the planet who isn't an energy-industry lobbyist will tell you those roots will eventually be ripped out of the ground by yet another mile-wide F5 tornado...which due to climate change will happen more and more often.

I'm not sure who you're referring to, but I didn't see anyone arguing that brick and mortar is not the optimal building choice. I did, however, state that we already build our homes out of brick.

And as for not living here...sorry, but the fact is, the majority of all the energy and food comes from tornado alley. People need to live here so others can live elsewhere...

They should farm on the moon...it's safer there.

Seriously. Millions of people live on the edge of active volcanos. Millions of people live on an active fault line. Billions of people live on the coast where a tsunami can wipe out 250,000 people. "lol, living there is dumb" just isn't going to cut it...

Morons in this thread seem to be confusing the two different discussions going on here:

1. Will a tornado of this size fuck up an average well constructed house regardless of what it's made of?
   • No shit. A tornado of this size will obliterate virtually anything in its path, short of a military grade bunker.
   • There are some immense forces in the center of that vortex, high velocity winds and flying projectiles, immense pressure differences that can pop eardrums and lift anything that's on the ground and toss it a mile up in the air.
2. Should you build your house out of plywood and white glue?
   • No, you Amurrican hick. Just because a tornado touching down directly on your house won't save you doesn't mean you should build a lean-to out of balsa wood because that won't exactly hold up even if you're half a mile away from the tornado, will it.
   • A lot of houses in stoopidville have no foundation. They're just concrete pads with a wooden framed sitting on top, coated with plywood on the outside and drywall on the inside. So no shit the entire thing lifts off like an Apollo rocket when there is a mere gust of wind.
   • Don't tornado alley states have any building codes that they are supposed to follow? Or is it another case of these gun hording Confederate flag waving yuppies complaining about, "don't ya guv'ment tell me how tuh build my yonder house and infringe upon mah conshutooshunal freedoms."?

Also, the "don't live there" argument is pretty shit. The entire planet is a great big ringed circle target for meteors, that drunk guy driving a tractor trailer/garbage truck/construction vehicle might just plow through your house, you might have a sink hole open up beneath you, that gas line under your house might leak, an electrical short in your house might set it on fire.... really? Living in a cave seems relatively safe, let's all do that.

It's amazing how ignorant and naive euros are...they are so dumb they have convinced themselves they are smart... ...

Nah, caves collapse.

The moon is our only hope.

... as opposed to Texans who are so sunburned that they have convinced themselves that they have class.... ...

Class is for morons...

Interesting reddit post on Why Wood?
http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comme ... ld/c1rguko



Also, you see a lot of wood in the OK debris because many of the brick houses still have wooden frames..the entire thing isn't build of cinder-blocks like a larger industrial structure would be.

thx obsidian for pointing that out. Nowhere was I claiming that a brick house would survive an F5 tornado, but I do believe the construction quality of the average Dutch house is miles better than the average American house, due to us using brick rather than plywood.