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seremtan wrote:well, for a start, there's being left out of any free trade agreement with the US (and no, they won't want to negotiate a special one just for us)

Yes, because special relations between the US and GB are unheard of.

seremtan wrote:then there's the increased barriers to movement between UK and Europe, making decent vacations harder work, and keeping out all those continental Europeans who keep this country from being an ethno-linguistically homogenised wasteland of ugly people with bad teeth; also there's the fact that to get free trade deals with the EU we'd need to jump through their hoops anyway, only this time we'd have no input

Things get a bit vague here, how you word it, but how I interpret this is:
Eastern Europeans are willing to accept work Britons do not.
Simple solution: your dole is dependant on what work you're willing to accept.

seremtan wrote:seems like such a short-sighted argument parroted by little Englander retards

I don't know what little Englander retards are.

A: What about if it's your country instead ?, or someone other than America.

B: What do you think the dole is for ?. He was saying that it works out better for us as we have free movement between member states and a seat at the table where all economic rules in Europe are made. This also gives you the chance to use a VETO ;]. Otherwise you'll be jumping through their hoops for the EU's economic policies anyway. See the Swiss.

C: It's an English retard.

lol...so the Euros are just like the Americans: they don't want to pay to uplift others...no welfare queens allowed.

As far as I understand it, the spirit of the EU was supposed to "uplift" the entire continent, making it more prosperous for everyone and, in some ways, trying to minimize centuries of conflict. But, as is usual with the human condition, you guys will fail the same way everyone else does: you have a large percentage of your populace that is selfish and don't want to share.

It's like watching a hobo walk through a rich-man's clubhouse...everyone freaks out when the "riff-raff" are let in.
So much for the moral high-ground.

Inept committee :]

You're right, every country will have their own agenda but you need to stop viewing it as 1 entity, it was probably the goal but it was doomed to fail. You can't unite an entire continent in less than 2 decades :]. The Euro is a joke aswell, just call it a bitcoin.

It's nothing but a committee of people that agree things in principle.

losCHUNK wrote:It's nothing but a committee of people that agree things in principle.

Wow...what a horrible starting point.

/sarcasm

Sorry but blaming mismanagement doesn't seem to fit here when the core problem is that people of the EU seem to have - one that only the well-off will complain about - is the concept of actually uplifting the poorer Baltic states.

losCHUNK wrote:A: What about if it's your country instead ?, or someone other than America.

Doesn't matter, open borders. That's what you signed up for.

losCHUNK wrote:B: What do you think the dole is for ?

The dole is a British institution established for those who can't sustain a basic income.

losCHUNK wrote:He was saying that it works out better for us as we have free movement between member states and a seat at the table where all economic rules in Europe are made.

Yeah, he forgot to mention how you would be bitchified to Europan rule.

This is the time to be critical. It's not that hard. Has Great Britain benefited from being a part of the EU? How so? What´s the damage from just saying fuck off?

GONNAFISTYA wrote:

losCHUNK wrote:It's nothing but a committee of people that agree things in principle.

Wow...what a horrible starting point.

/sarcasm

Sorry but blaming mismanagement doesn't seem to fit here when the core problem is that people of the EU seem to have - one that only the well-off will complain about - is the concept of actually uplifting the poorer Baltic states.

They're doing that ?, I've said plenty on how much the people of Wales would lose out on if we left the EU with the Baltic states getting the same support. Funding is dished out dependent on GDP and his country would qualify for the highest amount.

So why wouldn't you want to be part of it ?. Along with the other arguments of guaranteed bail outs, better credit / trade, laws n bla bla bla bla an inept comittee they may be but one that is doing a better job than our elected government.

Plan B wrote:

losCHUNK wrote:A: What about if it's your country instead ?, or someone other than America.

Doesn't matter, open borders. That's what you signed up for.

Yep that's what you signed up for.

Plan B wrote:The dole is a British institution established for those who can't sustain a basic income.

So what does that have to do with open borders and seats at an economic committee of rule makers ?

Plan B wrote:Yeah, he forgot to mention how you would be bitchified to Europan rule.

EU rule ?, you can leave at any time or kicked out if you don't follow the rules

Plan B wrote:This is the time to be critical. It's not that hard. Has Great Britain benefited from being a part of the EU? How so? What´s the damage from just saying fuck off?

I can crush you with numbers, Wales managed to qualify as a baltic state :]. If I walk 100yards I'm in a park that was redeveloped thanks to the EU, if I walked 100yards in the other direction I'm in a local community centre that's kept open by the EU.

Good example is when the European law of court ordered our police force to stop retaining records of innocent people for 99 years, including prints, DNA, photos etc after already being dragged through our legal system and seen as ok.

Oh yea and Rupert Murdoch had to change his pricing strategy because he was charging the Germans less to show EPL games in pubs than the Brits

Bottom line being, you ascribe Welch prosperity to some Europen shithole
Wales is better off staying independent

"at the end of the day"

But no :]. In terms of shitholeness n all we actually produce more per head than most of Europe, so ner. I could go into it but it's basically a statistical trick by splitting the country into 2 provinces.

I live outside the area that qualifies for most funding n all. So what I've mentioned above is applicable to all of Britain and Europe.

Plan B wrote:

seremtan wrote:well, for a start, there's being left out of any free trade agreement with the US (and no, they won't want to negotiate a special one just for us)

Yes, because special relations between the US and GB are unheard of.

free trade agreements have to be negotiated. synchronised transatlantic ass-kissing doesn't

seremtan wrote:then there's the increased barriers to movement between UK and Europe, making decent vacations harder work, and keeping out all those continental Europeans who keep this country from being an ethno-linguistically homogenised wasteland of ugly people with bad teeth; also there's the fact that to get free trade deals with the EU we'd need to jump through their hoops anyway, only this time we'd have no input

Things get a bit vague here, how you word it, but how I interpret this is:
Eastern Europeans are willing to accept work Britons do not.
Simple solution: your dole is dependant on what work you're willing to accept.

my point had nothing to do with their work ethic. it's just that having loads of people from different countries and backgrounds makes the place more interesting. in my immediate environment at work (i.e. my physical office area), there are about 1/2 dozen Americans, a French girl, a Hungarian girl, a Portuguese guy and a South African girl. oh, and the director of my department is a black woman. these anti-EU fags remind me of religious people: they just want to make everything boring and the same because they're scared of difference. fags

seremtan wrote:seems like such a short-sighted argument parroted by little Englander retards

I don't know what little Englander retards are.

see my previous point about the pro-boring crowd

so

Welcome to Europe ? , we maybe leaving soon.