New 100GB Blu-ray Disc may be used for 4K films

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Pext wrote:
shaft wrote:Yeah, apparently GFY is unfamiliar with middle class suburbanites in America.
... where a big tv is considered a status symbol. :olo:

I don't really think so...unless you're speaking from experience? I don't know where you live. I'm just speaking in terms of viewing room size and the growing popularity of home theater rooms. Certainly if you were living in a small apartment and the tv took up your entire room that would just be showboating. I don't see a middle class suburbanite waving his dick around over $1,500 worth of electronics....unless its anonymously on the internet in which case..i win..lol poor ppl, etc.
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i'm wondering if the industry has even finished copying all the old VHS stuff to DVD yet... then there's the blu-ray catalogue, which is a fraction of the DVD catalogue, and now 4K

ffs by the time 4K TVs become affordable to the 'average' consumer, we'll be on to 6K or 8K (showcasing another shitty lens flared CGI-fest starring Matt Cruise and directed by J J Spielberg)
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It's true. We're constantly playing catch-up...
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4K may have its benefits, but I don't see myself buying a screen bigger than the 40" one I got now. I guess that in a few years, 4K will be the new 3D (meaning: a hype) and somewhere down the line it'll probably be the average standard. Nothing particularly wrong with that, but I do hope it doesn't end up becoming a resolution race. Instead, they should focus on more interesting techs. A higher resolution is cute on paper, but it doesn't really bring anything new to the table.
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obsidian wrote:
DTS wrote:plus colour is better with higher resolution
:dork:
The clown is correct. Higher pixel density will equal a wider gamut.
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seremtan wrote:i'm wondering if the industry has even finished copying all the old VHS stuff to DVD yet... then there's the blu-ray catalogue, which is a fraction of the DVD catalogue, and now 4K

ffs by the time 4K TVs become affordable to the 'average' consumer, we'll be on to 6K or 8K (showcasing another shitty lens flared CGI-fest starring Matt Cruise and directed by J J Spielberg)
16k is already being developed :!:
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instead of upping the resolution they should work on the latency!

carmack said somewhere that it takes longer to get an image to the screen than to send bits of data from korea to the us!
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or they could work on the content because, let's be honest, we really don't need to see every follicle on Walter White's shaven head (though admittedly GoT would look awesome in 4K), so this is going to be - at least initially - aimed at cookie-cutter Hollywood CGI shitfests
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Doombrain wrote: The clown is correct. Higher pixel density will equal a wider gamut.
I guess it makes sense, it would allow for more true representation of a color gradient across the screen for example. granted it's all relative to the view distance, because technically, if you can actually see the pixels that means that subtleties of a color gradient must be missed from one pixel to the next.
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seremtan wrote:though admittedly GoT would look awesome in 4K
are you sure? the better the resolution the harder it gets to make convincing sets and costumes. even the hobbit looks cheap in some places and they had a shitload of money to spend on the production design!
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And console games will still be upscaled from 640p.
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Pext wrote:
seremtan wrote:though admittedly GoT would look awesome in 4K
are you sure? the better the resolution the harder it gets to make convincing sets and costumes. even the hobbit looks cheap in some places and they had a shitload of money to spend on the production design!
yes, an excellent point... I remember thinking how cheap that greenish marble/rock finish looked on one of the sets in the Hobbit.

on the other hand, it could be another level to aspire to...it gives them an opportunity to distinguish themselves from the masses, with better quality of work. The money is there... seems like people are fine with paying over 20$ a sit. ...as the population grows and accessibility becomes more abundant (theater locations digital distribution, in a global scale), the potential will be there to pay for even more extravagant film budgets. The theater sit alone can easily sustain a AAAA market.
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Pext wrote:
GONNAFISTYA wrote:Just read this and stfu already...
Hm; the argument is totally valid. Buying media on physical devices is dying out fast. The only times i get a CD or DVD is when my parents get me some stuff for christmas.

But it does not adress the technical aspects of 4k vs 1080p. Neither does it adress the consumers experience.
His basic argument is that, as xer0s has said, we're always playing catch up, and only because the hardware geeks are forcing us to. Most of the world has now caught up to HD, which took almost a decade, so they need to find a way to make people spend money again, since most television sets last a decade or more. In general business terms, it's called "planned obsolescence" and it's what compells marketing teams to convince consumers they not only want the next iPhone or teevee, but absolutely NEED it. 4K is no different.

And again...while yanks feast on cheap electronics the average television set sold around the world is 42 inches. Even in the markets where massive television sets are relatively cheap, the 42 inch set is the unit of choice for the average consumer in both size and price-point. Yes, lots of drunk redneck douchebags wearing wife-beater shirts cheering NASCAR or NFL buy loads of huge teevees, but they're the freaks, not the norm.

We're talking about something that won't even be a global standard (like 1080 HD is now) for at least 10 - 20 years and you're not going to convince the average consumer to drop $1500 - $5000 on a massive teevee every few years...that just doesn't happen in the average household, at least not with any live-in girlfriends I've ever had. Sure, perhaps a shitload of consumers will replace a 32 or 42 inch teevee on a more regular basis, but not the huge mofos that will benefit from 4k tech. Your argument is invalid.
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It's funny how GKY can never be wrong and everyone who disagrees is a dumb/moron/redneck/yank. :olo:
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I can be wrong. I just never am. :up:
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Pacific Rim was amazing
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losCHUNK wrote:Pacific Rim was amazing
My 3D bluray is in the mail. Can't wait. There aren't many movies on the same tier as Avatar and Life of Pi.
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You can add Gravity to that short list...
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Pext wrote:
seremtan wrote:though admittedly GoT would look awesome in 4K
are you sure? the better the resolution the harder it gets to make convincing sets and costumes. even the hobbit looks cheap in some places and they had a shitload of money to spend on the production design!
wasn't it the 48fps that made the Hobbit look like a set rather than the resolution?

frankly I'd welcome what your describing; it might force directors to shoot on location more and not make rocks out of fucking polystyrene
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GONNAFISTYA wrote:I can be wrong. I just never am. :up:
self-contradictory post is self-contradictory
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seremtan wrote:wasn't it the 48fps that made the Hobbit look like a set rather than the resolution?

frankly I'd welcome what your describing; it might force directors to shoot on location more and not make rocks out of fucking polystyrene

you're.

And, I think the whole point is you don't really *want* "realistic".

IMO escapism is more enjoyable when it transcends realism. Not just content wise, but also in the way things are visualised.
Indeed, I read more negative than positive comments about The Hobbit @48 fps, where the achieved hyperreality didn't immerse the audience more in the illusion as intended, but rather made them constantly aware they were watching actors fucking around on a set.

That isn't to say these technological advancements don't have merrit, but the way they're handled right now just don't produce the desired results.
I'm sure higher fps and higher resolution have potential in the future, but right now a market is forcefully and prematurely being created for which there is no real demand, except by self delusional wankers.
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seremtan wrote:
GONNAFISTYA wrote:I can be wrong. I just never am. :up:
self-contradictory post is self-contradictory
Actually no, because I'm allowing for the possibility. It's similar to the concept of "potential energy"...a rock perched on a cliff might fall and release the potential energy, but if it never does fall, the potential is always there. And, like me being wrong, the potential is always there but you'll have to wait a lifetime for it to happen. Or in your case, "only" a few thousand years. ;)
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Wrong or no, we can still agree you're a cunt, right?
Or do we also have to study kinetic rock energy to establish that?
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GFY is a perfect example what happens when you neglect early childhood development. Poster child for why kids shouldn't raise kids. The mental damage is obvious.
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I thought it was just obvious to me. It's good to see others stepping forward to acknowledge it...
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