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Jesus, what a bodycount for one guy... terrible

That's the thing. Imagine if he had help. Fucking religious wackos...

If u read the conservative websites... They are saying he did have help. A team of three and two are still at large... ...

scared? wrote:If u read the conservative websites...

i'm gonna have to stop you there

Why stop him now?

YourGrandpa wrote:When did terrorists start caring about gun laws?

Wat

I'm assuming it's Geoff trying to say "terrorists will still get Guns even if they are banned"

What he doesn't get is that a 1k gun becomes a 20k and they become a lot harder to obtain by your average fuckwit or 16 year old kid. Stricter selling laws and background checks would also help...

In America, you aren't safe attending school, going to clubs, walking down the street, or in the grocery store. You aren't safe if you're black, gay, or Muslim. You aren't safe if you want an abortion, wear funny shit over your face, or if you wear anything resembling a turban. But the 2nd Amendment sure is safe as fuck.

Don Carlos wrote:I'm assuming it's Geoff trying to say "terrorists will still get Guns even if they are banned"

What he doesn't get is that a 1k gun becomes a 20k and they become a lot harder to obtain by your average fuckwit or 16 year old kid. Stricter selling laws and background checks would also help...

I agree that there should be stricter regulations for the sale of mag fed pistols and rifles in this country. However, Dampstain's original post was derogatory, vague and assumptive. Implying that this would have never happened if "Fat Neck" America had stricter gun laws. This guy wasn't your average criminal looking to knock over a liquor store. He was a terrorist. Sure, guns were what he used to kill people in the nightclub. But there are reports he was wearing a bomb vest and explosive materials were discovered where he lived. This guy was going to kill a lot of people no matter what. No "law" is going to prevent terrorism.

To address your point about what happens when guns are "banned". It's naive. To think there is some kind of real value to be gained from stripping millions of there rights to prevent the actions of a few... Nonsense.

Transient wrote:In America, you aren't safe attending school, going to clubs, walking down the street, or in the grocery store. You aren't safe if you're black, gay, or Muslim. You aren't safe if you want an abortion, wear funny shit over your face, or if you wear anything resembling a turban. But the 2nd Amendment sure is safe as fuck.

The blame game begins.

OJ?

YourGrandpa wrote:The blame game begins.

There's plenty of blame to go around.

YourGrandpa wrote: To address your point about what happens when guns are "banned". It's naive. To think there is some kind of real value to be gained from stripping millions of there rights to prevent the actions of a few... Nonsense.

The real value would be less gun deaths. A lot less. Everyone here who isn't American knows this because we all live in countries with far fewer guns and far less gun violence as a result. (I know many of the Americans who post here know this too)

I see your stupid graph and raise you this one.

A vast majority of guns used in 16 recent mass shootings, including two guns believed to be used in the Orlando attack, were bought legally and with a federal background check. At least eight gunmen had criminal histories or documented mental health problems that did not prevent them from obtaining their weapons.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015 ... -guns.html

Would it be easier if we just bump one of the dozens of other gun threads we've had throughout the years?

HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:

A vast majority of guns used in 16 recent mass shootings, including two guns believed to be used in the Orlando attack, were bought legally and with a federal background check. At least eight gunmen had criminal histories or documented mental health problems that did not prevent them from obtaining their weapons.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015 ... -guns.html

You're not going to get me to argue against stricter gun regulations. I've been saying we need to do more for years. Though that would mean we'd have to discriminate against a select few for their mental conditions, social affiliations or past choices. And god forbid we offend someone during the vetting process, their fragile egos might not be able to take it.

Memphis wrote:I'm anti-gun. This is not even close to being about guns, but folks keep bringing up gun laws.

Jesus rapebaby Christ... when there actually is a massive and foul case of homophobic hate crime, it's not even about the crime, or the cause, but what implement was used to commit the crime. Someone regressplain that shit for me pls, 'cos I put it into computar and it BSODs.

Because in the U.S. you can legally buy weapons that are very effective at killing lots of people quickly. An AR-15 is more dangerous than a 6 shot revolver. It has become an issue because people are using these weapons to kill lots of people.

If buddy in Orlando only had a 6 shooter, it's likely the death toll wouldn't have been so high. Also, not sure what you're reading/watching etc. but people are definitely talking about the crime and the cause, not just guns.

The magazine on Mateen's Glock was modified to hold 30 rounds. He prolly killed just as many with that hand gun as he did with the assault rifle...

HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:

Memphis wrote:Because in the U.S. you can legally buy weapons that are very effective at killing lots of people quickly. An AR-15 is more dangerous than a 6 shot revolver. It has become an issue because people are using these weapons to kill lots of people.

If buddy in Orlando only had a 6 shooter, it's likely the death toll wouldn't have been so high. Also, not sure what you're reading/watching etc. but people are definitely talking about the crime and the cause, not just guns.

This type of speculation is comical. Somehow no guns = no terrorism or no AR-15 = 6 shot revolver. How about no gun = IED or car bomb? This guy wanted to kill a lot of people and NO gun law would have prevented that. Making guns the primary focus here is idiotic and irresponsible.

Apparently Mateen was attending the club once or twice a month for the last 3 years.

scared? wrote:The magazine on Mateen's Glock was modified to hold 30 rounds. He prolly killed just as many with that hand gun as he did with the assault rifle...

No modifications needed.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/116453 ... ymer-black

Prolly casing it. Didn't he go to Saudi in 2012 and 2013?... bomb SA?...

Glock in action...

http://m.wesh.com/news/multiple-gunshot ... o/40018078

YourGrandpa wrote: This type of speculation is comical. Somehow no guns = no terrorism or no AR-15 = 6 shot revolver. How about no gun = IED or car bomb? This guy wanted to kill a lot of people and NO gun law would have prevented that. Making guns the primary focus here is idiotic and irresponsible.

No legal way to buy an AR-15 means it would have been more difficult to do what he did. I'm not surprised you don't understand this but most people do.

If IEDs are so great he wouldn't have used an AR-15. It's a reliable, efficient killing machine.