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Re: Shocking video of Doombrain getting his bike stuck in a fenc
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:47 pm
by AndyW
put a claymore on that bike!
Re: Shocking video of Doombrain getting his bike stuck in a fenc
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 11:56 pm
by lars63
You can write it any way you want but when someone takes something that doesn't belong to them that's stealing, pure and simple.
What Transient says is true and that's wrong too, the thief shouldn't have been in the house in the first place, they overlook that anymore here in the states, its a pity
Re: Shocking video of Doombrain getting his bike stuck in a fenc
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:17 am
by Transient
Captain Mazda wrote:So it's nonsense if a burglar sues the person they were robbing, but catching thieves in the act and letting them humiliate themselves is a no-no?
The bike is put out there like candy, at the top of a smooth, steep hill. It's instigating the whole event with the intent on causing harm. Isn't that aggravated assault? For all you know, the person planned on returning the bike at the top of the hill after taking a joyride or three to the bottom. What if a little kid found the bike? Or were the assholes only waiting for homeless people to wander by? What the fuck is the bike crime like where you live, that makes it ok to laugh at homeless people getting hurt?
Re: Shocking video of Doombrain getting his bike stuck in a fenc
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:24 am
by lars63
When I was a kid we could ride our bikes anywhere, leave them and when we came back they were there, that's because kids were taught that taking something that wasn't theirs was wrong, I don't understand how and why you folk dance all around that. It was wrong for them to take the bike. ITS STEALING!
Re: Shocking video of Doombrain getting his bike stuck in a fenc
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:44 am
by Transient
Nobody's debating that. It doesn't make it ok to hurt them.
Re: Shocking video of Doombrain getting his bike stuck in a fenc
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:55 am
by Captain
Transient wrote:Or were the assholes only waiting for homeless people to wander by? What the fuck is the bike crime like where you live, that makes it ok to laugh at homeless people getting hurt?
Unless you're giving away your belongings or letting homeless people eat your food and sleep in your bed, you don't have a moral high ground. Don't fucking take something that isn't yours ffs
Transient wrote:Nobody's debating that. It doesn't make it ok to hurt them.
Don't try to steal and you won't get hurt, don't see why that's so difficult to grasp.
Re: Shocking video of Doombrain getting his bike stuck in a fenc
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:15 am
by Transient
Because it's not that simple. As I said earlier, the bike was put out there like candy. The prankster wanted to hurt someone.
Re: Shocking video of Doombrain getting his bike stuck in a fenc
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:32 am
by dubz
if anyone thinks it would be better to cut off hands of thieves theres lots of these righteous places you can go and live with like minded people... but yea i know, its the poor saharan dl speeds thats keeping you in our backward society...
Re: Shocking video of Doombrain getting his bike stuck in a fenc
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:39 am
by Captain
Transient wrote:Because it's not that simple. As I said earlier, the bike was put out there like candy. The prankster wanted to hurt someone.
So if you see a hot girl in skimpy clothes walking by herself on a secluded street at night, you can go for a joyride as long as you leave her where you found her, right?
Re: Shocking video of Doombrain getting his bike stuck in a fenc
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:40 am
by Transient
LOL WTF
Re: Shocking video of Doombrain getting his bike stuck in a fenc
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:47 am
by Captain
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Man, those poor guys just wanted to borrow some money or a phone. I swear they were gonna give it all back
Re: Shocking video of Doombrain getting his bike stuck in a fenc
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:18 am
by losCHUNK
Transient wrote:losCHUNK wrote:
Nope.
The would be thief, or the person finding the bike would need to assume a degree of responsibility and failure to check wether the bike was capable of being ridden would fall upon his shoulders. Otherwise would be thiefs would have a case against you if they tripped over a dodgey step when robbing your house. The electro shock scenario is different though, as it isn't an appropriate security device and the responsibility shifts back to the owner if it was purposefully hidden to cause harm (the thief would have no way of knowing).
Baiting isn't illegal and isn't considered entrapment. With entrapment you need to put the idea of the crime into someones head.
So the video is actually dumb ass people thinking they found free stuff and become victims of their own stupid ass mistakes. Kinda like a fat fuck falling over.
There may be a difference in laws here, but in the States a thief
could sue a homeowner if they fell over a dodgy step while stealing shit. It's bullshit, but I've seen stories about that kind of nonsense.
As far as the baiting vid goes, that shit's just wrong. Someone could easily get seriously hurt or even killed. Cutting the brakes to a bike and enticing people to ride it down a steep hill, and tieing it in an effort to make them fall off once they hit max speed is assault, plain and simple. It's dangerous for the rider and for everyone around them. Sure, it's funny to laugh at other people's misfortune, especially when it looks like they're doing something wrong (like stealing a bike), but when you cause harm to someone, physical or otherwise, that crosses a line.
Anyone can sue anyone, especially in America, doesn't mean they'll win and there are very few exceptions that can result in a homeowner being sued successfully and none of them involve my scenario.
As far as the vid goes, it could just easily have been a real world scenario which is the point of the bait. So all this nonsense about cutting brakes and it being parked on a steep hill is just wind, the harm was caused by themself. 1st for stealing the bike and 2nd for not ensuring it can be ridden safely which is why it isn't illegal nor is it assault.
Re: Shocking video of Doombrain getting his bike stuck in a fenc
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:20 am
by losCHUNK
Transient wrote:Captain Mazda wrote:So it's nonsense if a burglar sues the person they were robbing, but catching thieves in the act and letting them humiliate themselves is a no-no?
....the person planned on returning the bike at the top of the hill after taking a joyride or three to the bottom. What if a little kid found the bike? Or were the assholes only waiting for homeless people to wander by? What the fuck is the bike crime like where you live, that makes it ok to laugh at homeless people getting hurt?
This is why people finding things have a duty of care, the bike could just as easily been left there because it was defective.
And where the fuck did this homeless people shit come from ?, drawing your own assumptions there. Not that it matters but you're creating a scenario and making it fact. They were actually murdering, heroin pushing rapist gangsters...
The problem you have is the intent of the prankster, which is fair enough but in the eyes of the law he left an unattended bike for people to take at their own risk, which they did.
Re: Shocking video of Doombrain getting his bike stuck in a fenc
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:04 am
by lars63
(IMO) If the person was honest he would have left the bike and kept on walking. I'm not arguing the baiting or any other scenario all I'm saying, well, never mind I already said it. Each has his own opinion I guess so no one is going to change what the other thinks. I'm still calling it stealing and if he would have not STOLE the bike he would have had no problems. Carry on,(LOL)
Re: Shocking video of Doombrain getting his bike stuck in a fenc
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:14 am
by losCHUNK
That's pretty much how it is. Your duty of care pretty much* ends when something is stolen from you, or, when someone finds something of yours that doesn't belong to them.
*not completely, you can't hide something with the intent to harm - not without a warning anyway (guard dog). So if there was a trip rope or someshit at the bottom of the hill that'd probably be illegal.
Re: Shocking video of Doombrain getting his bike stuck in a fenc
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:20 am
by Transient
Why would a trip rope be illegal but not a line secretly tied to the bike?
Re: Shocking video of Doombrain getting his bike stuck in a fenc
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:55 am
by Ganemi
I would love a vigilante that murdered vigilantes.
I've had to chase people down because they inexplicably left their giant purses right next to me, or left their bikes unlocked, etc etc. Once had to call a guy and have him travel across the city to get his phone. I've lost so much shit as a young adult that I go very far out of my way to find the owners of things they lost.
These retards are complete cancer.
Re: Shocking video of Doombrain getting his bike stuck in a fenc
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 7:08 am
by ALMighty
even if it's fake, people enjoying it thinking it's real is still disgusting
Re: Shocking video of Doombrain getting his bike stuck in a fenc
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:22 pm
by losCHUNK
Transient wrote:Why would a trip rope be illegal but not a line secretly tied to the bike?
Because with the one the thief failed to check wether the bike was... The duty of care resides with him.
With the other the the thief would have no reasonable way of knowing, the duty of care is still with the owner and with that responsibility there was an intent to harm. It would also apply to anyone walking past.
Re: Shocking video of Doombrain getting his bike stuck in a fenc
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:05 pm
by Κracus
If you stole something from me I would not want to paralyze you for life as punishment.
It's that simple. Yes, the bike thief is wrong and deserves punishment, but this isn't it. The trap constitutes assault and whoever committed that assault should be held accountable.
Re: Shocking video of Doombrain getting his bike stuck in a fenc
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:33 pm
by Doombrain
Jesus, this forum.
Re: Shocking video of Doombrain getting his bike stuck in a fenc
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:20 pm
by seremtan
"is stealing a bike theft?"
yes
Re: Shocking video of Doombrain getting his bike stuck in a fenc
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:33 pm
by losCHUNK
Κracus wrote:...The trap constitutes assault and whoever committed that assault should be held accountable.
No
Re: Shocking video of Doombrain getting his bike stuck in a fenc
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 2:22 am
by lars63
Κracus wrote:If you stole something from me I would not want to paralyze you for life as punishment.
It's that simple. Yes, the bike thief is wrong and deserves punishment, but this isn't it. The trap constitutes assault and whoever committed that assault should be held accountable.
It all comes down to if the Putz was honest he would have had no worries, the optimum word were looking for in this sentence is "honest". An honest person would have walked right by that bike and left it alone, now if that person turned into a Putz well then there are all sorts of consequences, you know, sort of like that old TV show, "Truth or Consequences" and those Putz chose the latter. Kracus I'm not putting you down but I bet if someone stole something from you, you would want to tear his head off, beat him to a bloody pulp and I bet if that were your bike that the Putz took and that happened to him you would think it justice, just saying.
Edit: OK, I'm done you all fight it out how you like I've said my piece *LOL* Carry on
Re: Shocking video of Doombrain getting his bike stuck in a fenc
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 2:30 am
by Transient
lars63 wrote:Kracus I'm not putting you down but I bet if someone stole something from you, you would want to tear his head off, beat him to a bloody pulp and I bet if that were your bike that the Putz took and that happened to him you would think it justice, just saying.
What the fuck, if someone stole my
car I wouldn't even want to beat them to a bloody pulp.
Some people are just wired different, I guess.