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They have drones. You aren't stopping a tyrannical government with an AR.

Eraser wrote:I'm pretty sure them protesting kids are asking for stricter gun control in general, not just for AR-15's.

Besides, the whole "defend against oppressive governments" argument is such a terribly weak one. And you know it.

Nobody gives a shit about what those kids are asking for, not even the people funding their movement. They're being used to elicit sympathy and sway opinion. This is completely evident by the present agenda. As they aren't pressing for stricter regulations and better mental health programs. Sure those things have been mentioned. But there haven't been any emergency meetings by congress or local government to fast track that type legislation. They want bump-fire stocks and AR-15 style rifles and no other substantial reason besides "they look scary" is being given.

Nice dodge on the explanation.

Transient wrote:They have drones. You aren't stopping a tyrannical government with an AR.

Well then there's nothing to worry your pretty little naive head about then. If they are no threat to the government, only cause 1% of gun deaths and .000093% of all deaths, every law abiding citizen who wants one should be able to have one.

Glad you agree...

So who is "they"?
The government? No shit the government isn't doing much. They all have NRA representatives fistdeep up their assholes.

Oh and what about the "oppressive government" argument? How do you see that play out? Especially after the gov't shut down supply transports of ammunition to your local Walmart?

YourGrandpa wrote:Nobody gives a shit about what those kids are asking for, not even the people funding their movement.

Who is funding their movement, exactly?

YourGrandpa wrote:DOPEboy calling someone a pussy.

Remember, I'm actually the one who worked in law enforcement, while you pretend to know anything about it. Big old pussy here. Sure am.

I'm also not the one who needs guns to feel like a man and pretend to protect my home.

YourGrandpa wrote:

Eraser wrote:I'm pretty sure them protesting kids are asking for stricter gun control in general, not just for AR-15's.

Besides, the whole "defend against oppressive governments" argument is such a terribly weak one. And you know it.

Nobody gives a shit about what those kids are asking for, not even the people funding their movement. They're being used to elicit sympathy and sway opinion. This is completely evident by the present agenda. As they aren't pressing for stricter regulations and better mental health programs. Sure those things have been mentioned. But there haven't been any emergency meetings by congress or local government to fast track that type legislation. They want bump-fire stocks and AR-15 style rifles and no other substantial reason besides "they look scary" is being given.

Nice dodge on the explanation.

HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA

This post right here, sums you up.

You literally have no idea what you're talking about. EVERYONE with a brain, knows that guns like an AR-15 have no fucking purpose in a civilized world. This isn't about overthrowing or fighting a tyrannical government, You mother fuckers want your toys.

Just admit you want your toys. People wouldn't give you so much shit. But you assholes continue to lie about shit like protecting your home.

I hate to break it to you man. But you'd be dead before you got your AR ready in a home invasion. You'd be asleep, And you'd wake up to Click, Clack, Blam. Why? Because by the time your stupid ass wakes up, grabs it, and actually aims, You're dead by anyone who realizes you may be armed. I'm also guessing you advertise your guns in one way or another.

You have no fuckin idea. None. Shit happens so fast the only thing you MIGHT be able to react with is a pistol. Period. That throws the AR out as home defense.

When you've been through a home invasion, a no knock raid or two, etc. Come talk to me old man. You live a sheltered hillbilly lifestyle and think you know shit. You have no idea. Your AR isnt a home defense weapon, Its a toy. Just admit that and move on when they ban your toy.

If I'm entirely wrong, and you arent using the home defense argument. What one are you using? Any reason you couldn't just have it locked up at a gun range and use it there only? Why does it need to be always accessible in your home?

Lots of ways to skin a cat. Just gotta actually care about people other than yourself and your toys.

Transient wrote:

YourGrandpa wrote:Nobody gives a shit about what those kids are asking for, not even the people funding their movement.

Who is funding their movement, exactly?

DEM GARD DAMN LEFTIST HOLLYWOOD TYPES RUININ MERICA


He also ignored the fact that most people who are against AR-15s (And every other assault rifle or SMG thats been "de-pinned" and "easily" put back to full auto) dont say its because its scary. Everyone at some point talks about the EASE of getting one, Then murdering dozens of people so easily. Its a TOOL designed to KILL HUMANS. It wasnt designed to hunt fucking deer.

Hes just a moron. Who wants his toys to not get taken away.
I mean, I get why hes scared. If they mental health check him, hes fucked.

Eraser wrote:Oh and what about the "oppressive government" argument? How do you see that play out? Especially after the gov't shut down supply transports of ammunition to your local Walmart?

Dodge and weave, dodge and weave... Listen I understand you can't explain it without agreeing with me. It otherwise makes no sense.

BTW, there are plenty of Americans sitting on thousands of rounds of ammo.

Transient wrote:

YourGrandpa wrote:Nobody gives a shit about what those kids are asking for, not even the people funding their movement.

Who is funding their movement, exactly?

Who EXACTLY picked the vegetables eat? Who EXACTLY built the car you drive? Do I have to know "exactly" who's funding it to know its happening?

SOAPboy wrote: Remember, I'm actually the one who worked in law enforcement, while you pretend to know anything about it. Big old pussy here. Sure am.

I'm also not the one who needs guns to feel like a man and pretend to protect my home.

Who's pretending? I know one thing for sure. You would have a different approach to this conversation in my presence, pussy.

SOAPboy wrote:
HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA

This post right here, sums you up.

You literally have no idea what you're talking about. EVERYONE with a brain, knows that guns like an AR-15 have no fucking purpose in a civilized world. This isn't about overthrowing or fighting a tyrannical government, You mother fuckers want your toys.

Just admit you want your toys. People wouldn't give you so much shit. But you assholes continue to lie about shit like protecting your home.

I hate to break it to you man. But you'd be dead before you got your AR ready in a home invasion. You'd be asleep, And you'd wake up to Click, Clack, Blam. Why? Because by the time your stupid ass wakes up, grabs it, and actually aims, You're dead by anyone who realizes you may be armed. I'm also guessing you advertise your guns in one way or another.

You have no fuckin idea. None. Shit happens so fast the only thing you MIGHT be able to react with is a pistol. Period. That throws the AR out as home defense.

When you've been through a home invasion, a no knock raid or two, etc. Come talk to me old man. You live a sheltered hillbilly lifestyle and think you know shit. You have no idea. Your AR isnt a home defense weapon, Its a toy. Just admit that and move on when they ban your toy.

If I'm entirely wrong, and you arent using the home defense argument. What one are you using? Any reason you couldn't just have it locked up at a gun range and use it there only? Why does it need to be always accessible in your home?

Lots of ways to skin a cat. Just gotta actually care about people other than yourself and your toys.

Your childish rant speaks volumes about what you actually know (which isn't shit). Almost no one would choose an AR-15 for home or self defense. Most would choose a shot gun or compact 45. But you're welcome to come by my home any time and test out your home invasion theory, pussy.

SOAPboy wrote: DEM GARD DAMN LEFTIST HOLLYWOOD TYPES RUININ MERICA


He also ignored the fact that most people who are against AR-15s (And every other assault rifle or SMG thats been "de-pinned" and "easily" put back to full auto) dont say its because its scary. Everyone at some point talks about the EASE of getting one, Then murdering dozens of people so easily. Its a TOOL designed to KILL HUMANS. It wasnt designed to hunt fucking deer.

Hes just a moron. Who wants his toys to not get taken away.
I mean, I get why hes scared. If they mental health check him, hes fucked.

Why aren't AR-15s killing more people if they are so dangerous? ONLY 1% OF GUN DEATHS. Eh, never mind.

YourGrandpa wrote:

Transient wrote: Who is funding their movement, exactly?

Who EXACTLY picked the vegetables eat? Who EXACTLY built the car you drive? Do I have to know "exactly" who's funding it to know its happening?

When you're making statements about someone's political motives then yes you do.

You're saying I'm dodging the issue, but I bring up valid points against arguments you brought up yourself. Instead of addressing my points, you're dodging the issue by saying I dodge the issue.
Also, when two people ask you to clarify who you are talking about you reply with that it's not important to know. Who is doing the dodging now?

Let me de-obfusciate this for you:

You claim someone wants to specifically get rid of AR-15's. We call bullshit and imply we want you to clarify why you think this is the case. Clearing up who this "they" is is instrumental in determining the motives and to verify the assumed abilities of said entity.

Instead you come up with the whole oppressive government bullshit and many repeats of the word "dodge".

So here's my theory: you bring up the whole government thing because you're a dumbass tinfoil hat redneck that believes the government is behind a push against AR-15's specifically to "disarm" the civil militia. Lemme tell you, it's just the crazy in you that's doing the talking now.

YourGrandpa wrote:More dumb.

Thanks for proving me right.

The AR-15 (and its fellow murder tools, Not hunting rifles) is the staple for mass shooters. Its also something you could pick up at walmart with your groceries. The fact you keep focusing on the AR-15 part, and not the rest of what I'm saying (and I even specify its not just that gun) really proves that you don't give a shit about anything but your toys and you're fucking scared they are gonna get taken.



I also even gave you the chance, to tell me (If i was incorrect about home protection being a reason to have an AR-15), what other reason you have it for. You dodged a valid question just to keep trying to "attack me". Its cute. I mean, thanks for using a proper weapon for home defense (Personally, a glock short frame fan for handguns, 45s been on my short list a while, though, 9s are cheaper to shoot at range so eh, stopping power and all that, another topic). But like, That wasnt the question. Nobody here is saying take away your pistol and shotgun or hunting rifle.





Guns. Merica.

There's different kinds of shootings, and the idea is that assault rifle bans would help lessen the body count of mass shootings. 1% of shootings might be from AR-15's but that's 1% less shootings we gotta deal with, especially because there's no practical use for an AR-15. Plus, there's no hope for real gun control in this country, at least at the moment, so might as well start somewhere.

Also YGP, google burden of proof. What would the motivation be of somebody financing this anyway? To take all your guns, and somehow tyrannically take over the US? You got 2 sides, one is against gun violence cuz their friends just got shot up, and the other is the NRA with clear financial motivations for not wanting any kind of gun control. What information are you going by when you decide that the former is some kind of conspiracy, but what the NRA is doing is fine, cuz I'm confused as heck?

Eraser wrote:Let me de-obfusciate this for you:

You claim someone wants to specifically get rid of AR-15's. We call bullshit and imply we want you to clarify why you think this is the case. Clearing up who this "they" is is instrumental in determining the motives and to verify the assumed abilities of said entity.

Instead you come up with the whole oppressive government bullshit and many repeats of the word "dodge".

So here's my theory: you bring up the whole government thing because you're a dumbass tinfoil hat redneck that believes the government is behind a push against AR-15's specifically to "disarm" the civil militia. Lemme tell you, it's just the crazy in you that's doing the talking now.

You're telling me I'm dodging, but reiterate what I've already said. Then berate me for my opinion and you still haven't explained why I'm wrong.

Why don't you get the poo out of your eyes and read for once?

You make some wild claims about there being some kind of conspiracy against AR-15 owners, which have been questioned by multiple members of these forums but yet when pressed for further elaboration you fall into this "no u" tangent. The ball is in your court, Gramps, whether you like it or not. Either come with proof (or at the very least the information on which you base your crazy ideas) or admit that making baseless claims is a very stupid idea.

I'll make it easy for you. Here's a list of quoted statements and questions that you should counter or answer before continuing in this debate:

Eraser wrote:I'm pretty sure them protesting kids are asking for stricter gun control in general, not just for AR-15's.

Eraser wrote:So who is "they"?

Eraser wrote:what about the "oppressive government" argument?

Transient wrote:Who is funding their movement, exactly?

DooMer wrote:You got 2 sides, one is against gun violence cuz their friends just got shot up, and the other is the NRA with clear financial motivations for not wanting any kind of gun control. What information are you going by when you decide that the former is some kind of conspiracy, but what the NRA is doing is fine, cuz I'm confused as heck?

So?

DooMer wrote:There's different kinds of shootings, and the idea is that assault rifle bans would help lessen the body count of mass shootings. 1% of shootings might be from AR-15's but that's 1% less shootings we gotta deal with, especially because there's no practical use for an AR-15. Plus, there's no hope for real gun control in this country, at least at the moment, so might as well start somewhere.

Also YGP, google burden of proof. What would the motivation be of somebody financing this anyway? To take all your guns, and somehow tyrannically take over the US? You got 2 sides, one is against gun violence cuz their friends just got shot up, and the other is the NRA with clear financial motivations for not wanting any kind of gun control. What information are you going by when you decide that the former is some kind of conspiracy, but what the NRA is doing is fine, cuz I'm confused as heck?

How anyone can justify penalizing millions of law abiding citizens to maybe/possibly prevent the deaths of so few is ridiculous. Because there is absolutely NOTHING that guarantees banning AR-15 style rifles will prevent mass shootings. If the real concern is saving lives there are so many other endeavors they could pursue. But our government doesn't care about saving lives or what Americans want. If they did we'd have a balanced budget, term limits and health care, just to name a few.

The motivation is to remove the last layer of defense Americans have against a rouge government. I'm not saying the government is ever going to start enslaving or murdering Americans. But a well armed populace does help maintain the balance between citizens and government. Without that balance government is free to make choices that do not represent the people. And if you can't see how governments around the world are getting out of control, you're blind. Beside, there are many other things that could be done before a ban that I think ALL Americans would be willing to do. Because there are more than two sides to this issue. There are certainly extremes on both sides. Unfortunately, those side are the loudest and get the most press. However, there are many Americans that are ready to put better measure in place to help insure we keep guns out of the wrong people's hands. I think that all of those options should be exhausted before we even talk about banning anything.

YourGrandpa wrote:But a well armed populace does help maintain the balance between citizens and government. Without that balance government is free to make choices that do not represent the people. And if you can't see how governments around the world are getting out of control, you're blind.

Fucking lol! Says the one living under the rule of an orange faced madman

Eraser wrote:I'll make it easy for you. Here's a list of quoted statements and questions that you should counter or answer before continuing in this debate:

Eraser wrote:I'm pretty sure them protesting kids are asking for stricter gun control in general, not just for AR-15's.

What am I suppose to say to this? Kids don't vote or create policy so what they think, say or want really doesn't matter.

Eraser wrote:So who is "they"?

The government.

Eraser wrote:what about the "oppressive government" argument?

Do you think your government represents you. I think our government is already out of control. The government doesn't need to be oppressive or tyrannical to malign it's populace.

Transient wrote:Who is funding their movement, exactly?

I answered this. We KNOW the movement is being paid for. Kids don't fly around the country doing interviews, organize marches, promote policy, etc. without funding. Why do I have to know who exactly is picking up the tab?

DooMer wrote:You got 2 sides, one is against gun violence cuz their friends just got shot up, and the other is the NRA with clear financial motivations for not wanting any kind of gun control. What information are you going by when you decide that the former is some kind of conspiracy, but what the NRA is doing is fine, cuz I'm confused as heck?

There are more than 2 sides and I think all sides are against gun violence. This notion that if you're not for gun control you're for gun violence is just stupid. Furthermore, there is no practical reason to explain the push we are seeing to ban AR-15 style rifles other than to offset the balance between the people and the government.

Now please explain otherwise.

YourGrandpa wrote:
How anyone can justify penalizing millions of law abiding citizens to maybe/possibly prevent the deaths of so few is ridiculous.

OK Dana.

Eraser wrote: Fucking lol! Says the one living under the rule of an orange faced madman

I'm not a Trump voter or supporter. Sooo...

YourGrandpa wrote: Now please explain otherwise.

Maybe a group of people is genuinely sick and tired of all the gun violence happening around America? Maybe they really feel something needs to be done about it? You know, the thing is, your theory seems to be based on two issues:

You state there's a push for a ban on AR-15's specifically.
I'm not in the US myself so maybe I can't judge this accurately, but what I'm seeing is a push against guns in general, not just AR-15's. But still, even if it were against assault rifle type of weapons specifically, maybe that's because the US is very stubborn when it comes to gun control, and the group of people who want more regulation are simply playing it safe by starting off with stricter laws around fully automatic rifles because they know the general population is more likely to be in favor of a ban of these weapons.

You believe the government is afraid of people with automatic rifles.
Do you really believe that an entity who can easily control the availability of such weapons/ammunition and who is in possession of trained professionals wielding sniper rifles with armor piercing bullets, drones, attack helicopters, armored troop carriers and jet fighters if need be, is afraid of a bunch of hooligans with AR-15's? I think not. Besides, the idea of controlling a nation with weapons and oppression is such a naive and outdated idea. My good man, the government has you in it's grips already without you even realizing it. The whole Cambridge Analytics thing is just the tip of the iceberg. You don't need guns if you can sway the public opinion in your favor anyway.

YourGrandpa wrote:I'm not a Trump voter or supporter. Sooo...

Perhaps not, but you're still living under his rule. To say that an armed populace is needed to keep the government in check while Europe seems to do just fine without weapons is hilariously misguided. Especially now that Trump is in power in the US, making your own government probably the most disruptive, unpredictable and unproductive government the western world has seen in centuries.

I disagree. Furthermore, there is no way the US government would be permitted to use tanks/planes/drones on it's own people. There would be a nation wide revolution if that happened. To even suggest such a thing is ridiculous. The only available option would be to use our troops and AR-15s work perfectly against that.

I don't think you (like many other gun control advocates) really understand your argument or what you're arguing for/against. Fully automatic firearms are already heavily regulated. What we're talking about here is banning something that kills les than two hundred people per year. Why would you think it's a good idea to pass legislation that negatively affects millions of people without any proof it would have the benefits you're after? That seems insane. There are so many other things that could be done that would guarantee many more lives would be saved.

You're hypothetical on the US government is hilarious Gwamps... Trust me, if they decide to murder you they'll murder you. Your AR15 isn't going to stop them. Using that as your excuse to keep a rifle intended to kill other people is moronic at best. As for banning those types of weapons, and hand guns, in preventing mass shootings just go see the stats on any country that has those bans in place. They work. It doesn't mean it'll prevent them 100% but they help in reducing that type of attack. Get your head out of your ass please it's getting awkward to watch.