Cane Thumping

[Κracus]

I don't "disapprove" with kids using the internet or social media. What I take issue with is the immersion and the social issues that are a result. Because it's not just in my social circle. It's everywhere and you know it. We all know it. It's a prevalent problem that doesn't have a measure, partly because of societies addiction as a whole.

Consider your opinion dismissed as well.

That's a bit like the Amish's argument against cars don't you think? You may not like where technology is heading but you can't deny it's shaping the world for the better overall.

[YourGrandpa]

Only if...

[YourGrandpa]

That's a bit like the Amish's argument against cars don't you think? You may not like where technology is heading but you can't deny it's shaping the world for the better overall.

No, it's nothing like that at all. I have NO issue with where technology is heading and hindering people from being able to function in a real word environment is not for the better overall.

[Κracus]

How is it hindering people from being able to function? I'm not being cynical here I'm genuinely curious what part of technology is causing a hindrance?

[YourGrandpa]

You mean to tell me you don't understand how limiting your direct interaction with other human beings would hinder your ability function properly in social situations?

[YourGrandpa]

I'm sure you can see how bad it would be for someone to spend the majority of their life in a bubble where there is nothing but reward and little to no disappointment.

[Κracus]

Except technology, in this case, social media platforms actually do the opposite. They create a way to keep in touch and learn about events happening in your area. They give you a way of meeting people, both online and in real life so I'm not sure what aspect of technology keeps people in a bubble.

I can see how not being able to connect with anyone and having no way of keeping in touch with people might isolate you though. I can see how in the 80's and prior how people would grow up believing whatever their local circles would tell them. How the bible belt would have remained highly conservative and would have been more inclined to be racially biased based on the indoctrination of locals. At least with the advent of social media casting a light on those issues it's easier for young people growing up in areas that have a predominant mindset for certain ideologies to find other ideologies and concepts to consider rather than just what they're told by their parents and authoritarian figures.

[YourGrandpa]

Social media sure does offer exposure to a whole different world. If that was the way it was being used. But I think what you're conveniently overlooking is how social media is so customizable and artificially intelligent. Not only does it allow you to block out/not experience things and people you don't like (which EVERYONE does). But it also learns what you like and gears your experience towards what gives you pleasure.

Listen, you'd have to be an IDIOT not to see the damage social media is doing to the physical act of socializing. People don't know how to have face to face conversations. They can't deal with first hand stress or conflict. They no longer know how to process rejection (i.e. 8,000 dating sites). They lack what would be normal compassion for human life, because they lack exposure to actual humans. When people care more about cute puppies and kitties than they do about other humans there's a problem.

To the eternal fuck head: NO this does not apply to EVERYONE, as that is statistically impossible. This is a synopsis of the worsening affect social media has on society.

If you don't agree, that's fine. It's okay for you to be incredibly naive and wrong.

[Κracus]

I think you're confusing factual info with something that's just your opinion. At the end of the day, you can't actually show why social media is causing people to not know how to have face to face conversations. You're just saying that it is without any support of what you're saying. That's just conjecture.

What I'm saying isn't my opinion though, social media does make it easier to keep in touch. It does let you know about events happening in your area etc... I'm showing you reasons why it actually helps people meet other people and how it might actually promote face to face conversation. You may disagree with that but you're not really explaining why that is.

I think what's more likely is that shut ins and people that DO have issues talking face to face to other people have other extenuating circumstances that have caused them to grow up this way. Perhaps it was bullying, perhaps it was bad parenting etc... There's literally millions of reasons and hell, social media could even be a culprit if they were bullied on social media! Who knows. However it isn't a new problem and social media is no more responsible than video games are for causing violence.

What you're doing is assigning blame to some new technology because it's easy. It's not a new concept. OMG Rock music is making our kids violent, OMG D&D is the work of the devil and is corrupting our kids. OMG violent TV is making our kids violent. OMG video games etc... it goes on and on and every generation has some new thing to use a scapegoat when really it's the people in charge of teaching kids and helping them grow that are dropping the ball. That doesn't absolve people from being responsible for their actions either but that also doesn't mean there wasn't a problem prior to that, like bad parenting or whatever.

If you let social media convince you to do something terrible you are the problem, not social media. If anything, the Trump scandal that's going on with Cambridge Analytica should be a clear example of don't believe everything you read/see online. We got that hammered into our heads about TV growing up and perhaps we are dropping the ball on that lesson when it comes to the internet. That isn't the internet's fault.

[YourGrandpa]

You're an idiot and you're wrong. I'm sure your inability to realize that will get you through.

Have a nice day.

[Κracus]

You know... I was going to retort about how you're just devolving into name calling and being dense about this but really, you are the problem. People like you are exactly what's wrong in today's society. You're so sure of yourselves and your bullshit and every time someone comes along and points out how horribly flawed your ideals are you simply ignore what's been said, insult people trying to help you and then bury your head in the sand because you don't want to hear it. Your ego is so frail you can't even stand the idea of having other views on a subject. You and people like you make me sad to be alive today.

[YourGrandpa]

Dude, you haven't and still don't understand how horrifically stupid you sound most of the time (ask other forum posters). Talk about dense. There's no discussing things with you. Instead of acknowledging any kind of plausibility, you insistently argue the extreme contrary with complete disregard. At least I can agree that there are many redeeming aspect of social media and that it's not entirely responsible for the decline of social skills. Furthermore, my ideas aren't flawed. That's your ignorance getting in the way. Speaking to you is incredibly frustrating and unrewarding. The only positive thing I can take away from any conversation with you is the brief moment of pleasure I get from calling you an idiot. And if this so "sad" to you, maybe ending it would be the best thing for everyone forced to deal with you on a daily basis.

Cheers.

[Transient]

Dude, you haven't and still don't understand how horrifically stupid you sound most of the time (ask other forum posters). Talk about dense. There's no discussing things with you. Instead of acknowledging any kind of plausibility, you insistently argue the extreme contrary with complete disregard.

Psychological projection is a theory in psychology in which humans defend themselves against their own unconscious impulses or qualities (both positive and negative) by denying their existence in themselves while attributing them to others.[1] For example, a person who is habitually intolerant may constantly accuse other people of being intolerant. It incorporates blame shifting.

[YourGrandpa]

Yeah... So you and Kramp-ass should knock that shit off.

[Transient]

I see what you did there.

[YourGrandpa]

Probably not though.

[Eraser]

Get off my lawn!

[YourGrandpa]

You gonna be okay bro?

[Κracus]

Do you have to be the last to reply to everything? You do don't you?

[YourGrandpa]

No. Do you?

[MKJ]

Stop ruining every thread, thanks

[YourGrandpa]

Yeah. All this conversation happens by itself.

Hey people posting here. Stop ruining "every" thread.

K Thanks.

[Transient]

There was the potential for debate, but that chance pretty much went up in smoke when Kracus invoked Godwin's Law and you fell for it.

[YourGrandpa]

Who fell for what?

[Whiskey 7]

I'd never heard of Godwin's Law.

Urban Dictionary: Godwin's Law
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define. ... %27s%20Law

A term that originated on Usenet, Godwin's Law states that as an online argument grows longer and more heated, it becomes increasingly likely that somebody will bring up Adolf Hitler or the Nazis. When such an event occurs, the person guilty of invoking Godwin's Law has effectively forfieted the argument.