Final cut and osx on intel chips

Post by **Doombrain** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 3:59 pm

rgoer wrote:yes doombrain it is true

what is still up in the air is if a switch to intel and a switch to x86 are the same thing

i know for a fact it's true, oh and from what i've been told it'll be x86

Post by **SplishSplash** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 4:07 pm

rgoer wrote:yes doombrain it is true

what is still up in the air is if a switch to intel and a switch to x86 are the same thing

Pretty sure. Apple's problem is that they are almost the only one who buys PPC chips, therefore IBM doesn't have a big interest in developing better models.
Simply switching from IBM to intel wouldn't solve that problem at all. They'd just have someone else to get mad at.

Post by **rgoer** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 4:10 pm

but don't you think they would give developers some kind of warning if there was going to be a complete switch of endianness?

Post by **Dave** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 4:14 pm

SplishSplash wrote:
rgoer wrote:yes doombrain it is true

what is still up in the air is if a switch to intel and a switch to x86 are the same thing
Pretty sure. Apple's problem is that they are almost the only one who buys PPC chips, therefore IBM doesn't have a big interest in developing better models.
Simply switching from IBM to intel wouldn't solve that problem at all. They'd just have someone else to get mad at.

um... the G5 is POWER4 based and IBM uses the 970 in their BladeCenter product

Post by **rgoer** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 4:15 pm

purchasers of ppc chips--see also: sony, microsoft, nintendo

Post by **saturn** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 4:17 pm

I'm keeping an eye on this page: http://www.macrumorslive.com/web/

It has a 60 second refresh on the live coverage of WWDC 2005

Post by **Canis** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 4:21 pm

Doombrain you ass, let us speculate! It's part of the fun. Then, after the announcement, we can all get together and head-butt each other over who was correct.

Post by **SplishSplash** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 4:41 pm

Dave wrote: um... the G5 is POWER4 based and IBM uses the 970 in their BladeCenter product

Yeah, ok. How many do they sell of those? Anywhere close to what Intel or even AMD sells of x86 CPUs? Or even close to what Apple sells? I don't think so.

rgoer wrote:purchasers of ppc chips--see also: sony, microsoft, nintendo

Completely different models. Although a Cell-based Mac would probably own.

Post by **saturn** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 4:58 pm

9:46 am testing 1234
9:43 am Doors to hall are open
People beginning to take seats

lol

Post by **Canis** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 5:00 pm

Somebody's on Macrumors IRC....

Post by **saturn** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 5:01 pm

saturn wrote:I'm keeping an eye on this page: http://www.macrumorslive.com/web/

It has a 60 second refresh on the live coverage of WWDC 2005

9:59 am *music playing*

Post by **Canis** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 5:03 pm

Go to the macrumors.com IRC page, they have less than 60 sec. interval updates.

Post by **Geebs** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 5:20 pm

steve wearing all black

Post by **saturn** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 5:25 pm

5:33 pm this week - will deliver the 2 millionth copy of OS X Tiger

lol, i got 3 legit copies through my ADC account

Post by **bag0shite** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 5:30 pm

Next release will be called leopard, because it changed it's spots...

Post by **bag0shite** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 5:45 pm

(from /.)

Apple to Use Intel Microprocessors Beginning in 2006

WWDC 2005, SAN FRANCISCO--June 6, 2005--At its Worldwide Developer Conference today, Apple® announced plans to deliver models of its Macintosh® computers using Intel microprocessors by this time next year, and to transition all of its Macs to using Intel microprocessors by the end of 2007. Apple previewed a version of its critically acclaimed operating system, Mac OS® X Tiger, running on an Intel-based Mac® to the over 3,800 developers attending CEO Steve Jobs' keynote address. Apple also announced the availability of a Developer Transition Kit, consisting of an Intel-based Mac development system along with preview versions of Apple's software, which will allow developers to prepare versions of their applications which will run on both PowerPC and Intel-based Macs.

"Our goal is to provide our customers with the best personal computers in the world, and looking ahead Intel has the strongest processor roadmap by far," said Steve Jobs, Apple's CEO. "It's been ten years since our transition to the PowerPC, and we think Intel's technology will help us create the best personal computers for the next ten years."

"We are thrilled to have the world's most innovative personal computer company as a customer," said Paul Otellini, president and CEO of Intel. "Apple helped found the PC industry and throughout the years has been known for fresh ideas and new approaches. We look forward to providing advanced chip technologies, and to collaborating on new initiatives, to help Apple continue to deliver innovative products for years to come."

"We plan to create future versions of Microsoft Office for the Mac that support both PowerPC and Intel processors," said Roz Ho, general manager of Microsoft's Macintosh Business Unit. "We have a strong relationship with Apple and will work closely with them to continue our long tradition of making great applications for a great platform."

"We think this is a really smart move on Apple's part and plan to create future versions of our Creative Suite for Macintosh that support both PowerPC and Intel processors," said Bruce Chizen, CEO of Adobe.

The Developer Transition Kit is available starting today for $999 to all Apple Developer Connection Select and Premier members. Further information for Apple Developer Connection members is available at developer.apple.com. Intel plans to provide industry leading development tools support for Apple later this year, including the Intel C/C++ Compiler for Apple, Intel Fortran Compiler for Apple, Intel Math Kernel Libraries for Apple and Intel Integrated Performance Primitives for Apple.

Intel (http://www.intel.com http://www.intel.com/> ), the world's largest chip maker, is also a leading manufacturer of computer, networking and communications products.

Apple ignited the personal computer revolution in the 1970s with the Apple II and reinvented the personal computer in the 1980s with the Macintosh. Today, Apple continues to lead the industry in innovation with its award-winning desktop and notebook computers, OS X operating system, and iLife and professional applications. Apple is also spearheading the digital music revolution with its iPod portable music players and iTunes online music store.

Post by **bag0shite** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 5:48 pm

Jobs then confirmed a long-held belief that Apple was working on an Intel-compatible version of Mac OS X that some have termed "Marklar." Mac OS X has been "leading a secret double life" for the past five years, said Jobs. "So today for the first time, I can confirm the rumors that every release of Mac OS X has been compiled for PowerPC and Intel. This has been going on for the last five years." Jobs demonstrated a version of Mac OS X running on a 3.6GHz Pentium 4-processor equipped system, running a build of Mac OS X v10.4.1. He showed Dashboard widgets, Spotlight, iCal, Apple's Mail, Safari and iPhoto all working on the Intel-based system.

Post by **Geebs** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 5:49 pm

Gah. *sells G5*

Post by **Cool Blue** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 5:55 pm

This is fucking great news.

I'll buy a Mac now. I love the idea of them doing this as I love their product designs.

Mark my words, Apple will be competing with Dell for top PC manufacturer in the world in ten years. In 15, Apple will own the PC market.

Post by **Canis** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 5:57 pm

Well I'll be damned!!!

Post by **bag0shite** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 5:57 pm

Bruce Chizen CEO of Adobe is on stage. He said that Adobe wouldn't exist if it weren't for Apple.

Post by **bag0shite** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 5:59 pm

What I do wonder is, how much of a shot across the bows is this to m$/Dell..?

And how soon before Dell go AMD..?

Post by **Cool Blue** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 6:01 pm

A big one. The Mac OS is totally unlike Linux; instead of MS being able to call down the 'new and unrefined' competition, now they're up against a KNOWN better, more stable, more reliable, faster OS. The only problem with the Mac OSX family, is it can't compete on a network level the way Windows can.

Post by **rgoer** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 6:03 pm

well that's that then

10:24: Mac OS X 10.5 will be called Leopard.

10:27: We've been through many transistions. 680x0 to PowerPC, Mac OS 9 to Mac OS X. Today we begin a third transition. It's true; We are switching to Intel.

10:29: Why are we switching to Intel? Intel offers great performance. Intel offers great power consumption. The transition will take a few years, but it will be worth it. We want to be making the best computer for the customer going forward.

10:30: June 2006 will begin our Intel transition. By June 2007, we will be complete.

10:31: We face two challenges. The first, is Mac OS X on Intel. We've been maintaining Mac OS X on Intel AND PPC, secretly, for the past 5 years, just in case. Now is the time. Every prior release of Mac OS X has been compiled for multiple architectures.

10:32: The demos of the last half-hour of Tiger have been on a Pentium 4.

10:34: Development machines will be in the hands of developers soon. Video playing explaining how to compile for Intel. Widgets, Scripts, Java, all already work...Cocoa programs need but a small tweak. Carbon programs will take a couple of weeks.

10:36: We're releasing XCode 2.1. It compiles a Universal Binary (FAT binary)

Post by **Canis** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 6:04 pm

Geebs wrote:Gah. *sells G5*

I'm keeping mine, but will buy a new Intel-based mac when they stop supporting the PPC. I'll put linux or some other OS on it and dick around, but I'm rather pissed that my long-term investment in this computer has been cut short with this announcement. I thought the G5 would be around a lot longer....

It's weird, because I feel both excited and let down at the same time.