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Memphis wrote:

Whiskey 7 wrote:My 2 cents; immigration - root cause

Unchecked mass immigration. Censorship. A decade of lies upon lies, from both our main parties. Laced with propaganda, amidst a consistant downward spiral of wealth inequality. All adds up.

It wasn't even all about the EU. Although many simply noted some countries going full backwards retardaroo, in telling their own citizens to cover up and stay at home, so as not to offend the foreign folks they were paying for to move in, despite forced austerity measures. Not to mention the use of political correctness as a demonising weapon, resulting in it only being turned on itself. 52% of the country is now officially racist, according to the progressives. Who are no doubt ironically, outside anywhere Boris is right now, hurling all manner of abuse.

Seems the whole forced multiculturalism experiment is ever more likely to come crashing down - and it's at least good that it'll happen democratically - even if it produces more salt for the Salt God than the Salt God could ever want.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 95191.html

Migrants aren't the problem for our population, it's us. Personally I don't see the problem with open borders, we're all migrants to the country anyway. At what point do you define not being a migrant? 10 years, 100 years, 500 years? Crazy.

Yeah the big issue we have are the huge amount of home grown lazy, dole claiming fuck wits we produce.

Not being born in your country of residence is a start...?

The majority of the bigoted people here don't recognise that. They'll see the fact someone has a slightly different colour of skin or whatever and instantly assume they're foreigners regardless. It's mostly the older generation though rather than the younger generation who think that.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36616028

and hey, guess which generation swung the vote for leave?

Don Carlos wrote:Yeah the big issue we have are the huge amount of home grown lazy, dole claiming fuck wits we produce.

Nup, that arguement is just as bad as the immigrants are killing our economy.

losCHUNK wrote:
I blame the Torys too, surprise surprise, but those fuckers have been project fear since Gordon Brown and have been riding rough shot over the electorate since gaining power. They've sewn more discontent in this country since being in control than I have witnessed in my lifetime. Separating the scroungers from the strivers, rich vs poor, the strain of immigrants on our economy, all bullshit to draw attention away from their own fuck ups the pig fucking, self serving bastards.

The immigrants, for the most part, work hard and contribute to the economy. Yeah they send money home and yeah some do come over and scab money, but the majority dont.

No point arguing aboout stuff now. Its happened so sleeves up and lets get started in not turning into a country of whinging tits.

PhoeniX wrote:The majority of the bigoted people here don't recognise that. They'll see the fact someone has a slightly different colour of skin or whatever and instantly assume they're foreigners regardless. It's mostly the older generation though rather than the younger generation who think that.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36616028

and hey, guess which generation swung the vote for leave?

Means nothing without the volumes. I bet the 18-24 turnout was low.

Memphis wrote:

Whiskey 7 wrote:My 2 cents; immigration - root cause

Unchecked mass immigration. Censorship. A decade of lies upon lies, from both our main parties. Laced with propaganda, amidst a consistant downward spiral of wealth inequality. All adds up.

It wasn't even all about the EU. Although many simply noted some countries going full backwards retardaroo, in telling their own citizens to cover up and stay at home, so as not to offend the foreign folks they were paying for to move in, despite forced austerity measures. Not to mention the use of political correctness as a demonising weapon, resulting in it only being turned on itself. 52% of the country is now officially racist, according to the progressives. Who are no doubt ironically, outside anywhere Boris is right now, hurling all manner of abuse.

Seems the whole forced multiculturalism experiment is ever more likely to come crashing down - and it's at least good that it'll happen democratically - even if it produces more salt for the Salt God than the Salt God could ever want.

No one is saying 52% Britain is racist but the reasoning behind their decisions are flawed. The forced austerity measures you mention for example is imposed by our own government.

*oops

Don Carlos wrote:The immigrants, for the most part, work hard and contribute to the economy. Yeah they send money home and yeah some do come over and scab money, but the majority dont.

No point arguing aboout stuff now. Its happened so sleeves up and lets get started in not turning into a country of whinging tits.

It's the same with dole 'bums' though, tarnishing with the same brush then blaming them for being scroungers and all that is wrong, for the most part they seek work and find jobs. Dunno why your defending immigration to me.

Doombrain wrote:

PhoeniX wrote:The majority of the bigoted people here don't recognise that. They'll see the fact someone has a slightly different colour of skin or whatever and instantly assume they're foreigners regardless. It's mostly the older generation though rather than the younger generation who think that.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36616028

and hey, guess which generation swung the vote for leave?

Means nothing without the volumes. I bet the 18-24 turnout was low.

You'd be right, cos oldies would've come out in force.

Sadly I know a lot of people who pump kids out to get money and bigger houses. No intention of working ever. So they are to blame as much as the tax evading corporations as far as I'm concerned.

And who's getting the blame ?, there are people, just as there are migrants that don't work but as austerity measures ramp up and benefits are stipped down who's getting all the tax breaks and non investigation of tax dodging ?, 30bln in dodged taxes every year yo, that'll fund the dole 5x over

The result we have is due to a class war. The lower paid, hard done by, the world owes us, life was better in the 70s type people have risen up mostly sucked in by UKIP and that's why immigration has played a huge part in the vote.

People do need to stop bitching though, democracy is a bitch.

Nicked from FB....

Were you a Remain campaigner? Are you sore about the referendum result? Check out these 10 top self-comforting strategies.

1.) Call every white person who voted Leave a "racist", ignoring the fact that Europeans are also white. Make sure you ignore and marginalise ethnic minority leave voters.

2.) Claim that the (huge) turnout wasn't high enough. 72%? It should have been at least 75%! 80%? It should have been 85%! Make sure to keep moving the goalposts.

3.) Make a stupid e-petition demanding another referendum, just like the socialists did when Labour lost last year. We need to keep having referendums until we get the "right" result.

4.) Get over-excited about the economy, even if the impact has been pretty boring and mundane. Pretend that your 2:2 in English Literature makes you an expert on currency markets.

5.) Attack the very idea of Democracy, because it's only a good thing when it goes the way you want it to. Working class voters don't know what's good for them, but middle class liberals definitely do.

6.) Share memes bashing Brexit, ignoring the unwelcome and uncomfortable realisation that you are in the minority of public opinion.

7.) Boldly claim that Scotland will leave the UK, forgetting that A) they can't afford to B) the EU can't afford to take them C) 1.6m remain votes don't cancel out 2m NO votes.

8.) Make fun of Boris Johnson while sweating slightly and really hoping he doesn't become Prime Minister.

9.) Learn absolutely nothing from the campaign, blaming the result on everyone but yourself. Scaremongering and bullying are clearly the best tactics to use, there's no way they could possibly backfire.

10.) Curl up in a ball and cry yourself to sleep while listening to "Ode to Joy".

I'd say they were sucked in due to project fear on immigration etc, the hammer the Tories (and ukip) use to beat the opposition when they get accused of a failing economy (amoungst others).

Got as far as #1 too

Can't be racist to white people ?

Ok let me rephrase

Unchecked mass immigration. Censorship. A decade of lies upon lies, from both our main parties. Laced with propaganda, amidst a consistant downward spiral of wealth inequality. All adds up.

That is our own governments fault and the blame is being left at Europes door ?

Don Carlos wrote:Sadly I know a lot of people who pump kids out to get money and bigger houses. No intention of working ever. So they are to blame as much as the tax evading corporations as far as I'm concerned.

uh, what? how does someone scrounging in the low thousands compare with corporations evading billions in tax?

also, which of the above gets the red carpet treatment by government and media?

That divide, class war if you will, was hammered open by our own establishment

When was the last time talk such as the class divide was this rampant ?

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Doombrain wrote:Nicked from FB....

Were you a Remain campaigner? Are you sore about the referendum result? Check out these 10 top self-comforting strategies.

1.) Call every white person who voted Leave a "racist", ignoring the fact that Europeans are also white. Make sure you ignore and marginalise ethnic minority leave voters.

2.) Claim that the (huge) turnout wasn't high enough. 72%? It should have been at least 75%! 80%? It should have been 85%! Make sure to keep moving the goalposts.

3.) Make a stupid e-petition demanding another referendum, just like the socialists did when Labour lost last year. We need to keep having referendums until we get the "right" result.

4.) Get over-excited about the economy, even if the impact has been pretty boring and mundane. Pretend that your 2:2 in English Literature makes you an expert on currency markets.

5.) Attack the very idea of Democracy, because it's only a good thing when it goes the way you want it to. Working class voters don't know what's good for them, but middle class liberals definitely do.

6.) Share memes bashing Brexit, ignoring the unwelcome and uncomfortable realisation that you are in the minority of public opinion.

7.) Boldly claim that Scotland will leave the UK, forgetting that A) they can't afford to B) the EU can't afford to take them C) 1.6m remain votes don't cancel out 2m NO votes.

8.) Make fun of Boris Johnson while sweating slightly and really hoping he doesn't become Prime Minister.

9.) Learn absolutely nothing from the campaign, blaming the result on everyone but yourself. Scaremongering and bullying are clearly the best tactics to use, there's no way they could possibly backfire.

10.) Curl up in a ball and cry yourself to sleep while listening to "Ode to Joy".

Did you vote Leave? Are you holding a street party? Check out these 10 top self-delusion strategies:

1) Call everyone who voted Remain an elitist, while forgetting that a lot of people just like you in your shitty, deprived neighbourhood also voted Remain.

2) Claim that 51.9% is a huge majority that cancels out the 48.1% minority. Totally.

3) Insist on a second referendum when the government negotiates Britain into the single market, and you're stuck with all the same immigrants you started with because that's a condition of being in the single market.

4) Start believing your financial circumstances will improve as a result of Brexit, when it's actually your own government who are fucking you.

5) Sing songs of praise about democracy, just because it went your way this one time.

6) Continue sharing memes bashing the EU, ignoring point #4

7) Boldly claim that Scotland won't vote for independence, forgetting that A) they voted overwhelmingly to Remain B) they care more about the EU than the UK and C) 53-47% in favour of Leave in England doesn't cancel out 62-38% in favour of Remain in Scotland.

8) Make fun of Angela Merkel while sweating slightly and really hoping she doesn't have the final word in withdrawal negotiations.

9) Learn nothing from the campaign, and start believing you represent the average Brit (see also #2) as your country falls apart. Mindless optimism is clearly the best tactic, there's no way it could possibly be misplaced.

10) Drink yourself into a coma singing God Save the Queen, then wake up and realise you accidentally burned your own house down. That's a metaphor, by the way.

pretty much

Memphis wrote:

PhoeniX wrote:and hey, guess which generation swung the vote for leave?

That's an overgeneralisation. Elders have seen the effects of the EU first-hand throughout their lives, no? They're supposed to yield to the infinite wisdom of those still in education and yet to figure out that they still may end up feeling fucked after fourty years of wage slaving? .

riiiight

Doombrain wrote:

PhoeniX wrote:The majority of the bigoted people here don't recognise that. They'll see the fact someone has a slightly different colour of skin or whatever and instantly assume they're foreigners regardless. It's mostly the older generation though rather than the younger generation who think that.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36616028

and hey, guess which generation swung the vote for leave?

Means nothing without the volumes. I bet the 18-24 turnout was low.

Well, I think we can assume that the voter turnout in each category is representative for that age group. After that, absolute numbers are irrelevant.

Don Carlos wrote:Sadly I know a lot of people who pump kids out to get money and bigger houses. No intention of working ever. So they are to blame as much as the tax evading corporations as far as I'm concerned.

I have a hard time believing that. Maybe I'm being naive, but getting a child just for social benefits is beyond fucked up.

Especially because I don't believe for a moment that a child is a monetary net positive in any case.

Memphis wrote:

Eraser wrote:riiiight

what? young folks telling old folks they don't know shit isn't just rudeness. it's ageism.

That's one out of the PCness book you were still fighting against moments ago, no?
Sure, older people may know more and have more life experience but that doesn't mean they're all "wise" when it comes to every subject imaginable. I think most of those 40+ voters had no clue what they were actually voting for or against.

You may have noticed it's not Westeros we're living in. Although I can understand the confusion.