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Re: Well hell may be freezing over (workout)

Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 2:45 pm
by LawL

Re: Well hell may be freezing over (workout)

Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 3:55 pm
by Captain
YourGrandpa wrote:asses
pier pressure
lol illiteracy...

Re: Well hell may be freezing over (workout)

Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 8:04 pm
by scared?
There's nothing wrong with real training... But Don using the word for his situation is just plain douchnozzley...

Re: Well hell may be freezing over (workout)

Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:35 pm
by Don Carlos
YourGrandpa wrote:You can't tell Crossfitters anything. They are hypnotized by the communal experience and/or their Jesus (ie. their "Box" coach). They'll swear up and down that they're performing every exercise correctly and never using too much weight. They'll swear they're never exercising for time or past the limit where fatigue makes the exercise unsafe. It's only when they experience a debilitating injury (which WILL happen) that they might stop and examine what they are doing to themselves. Never mind the fact that maybe 1 in 1000 of these so called "certified coaches" is qualified to asses the fitness level of every person who enters their "box" and design an individual routine for that person. Giving someone a "WOD" and expecting them to use their physical limitations as a governor is just plain stupid. Especially when you have the additional pressure of 30 other people in the room and your so called coach pushing you to go further. Almost no one in that position is going to make the right decision about repetition/weight/level of exhaustion at risk of looking weak or inferior. I've heard many personal accounts of people exercising until they puke because of the pier pressure. Ultimately Crossfit is a very cultish commune that usually encourages people to over stress their bodies to the point of injury.
Sorry you have had such bad experiences at CrossFit boxes dude, I assure you they are not all like the ones that you have encountered and trained at. Perhaps I am just lucky that the coaches I have had have compete at regional level and have many qualifications regarding fitness, diet, weight lifting and personal training. I understand not all boxes have this level of coaching staff and some places get away with using Level 1's as their sole method of training which is ill advised to say the least. But don't tar all the places with the same brush. This might also interest you; http://www.forbes.com/sites/rosspomeroy ... illing-us/
“Injury rates with CrossFit training are similar to that reported in the literature for sports such as Olympic weight-lifting, power-lifting and gymnastics and lower than competitive contact sports such as rugby union and rugby league,” the researchers reported.

And that rate is positively puny compared to sports like soccer, skiing, and football. Even running may be more dangerous. A 2010 study followed recreational runners for eight weeks as they trained for a 4-mile race. 30.1 injuries were reported for every 1,000 hours of running.
You might want to make sure your running coach is up to scratch, YGP.

But regarding the "train til you puke" thing, that isn't exclusive to CrossFit. I have seen football players, rugby players, runners, weight lifters and swimmers all train until they puke. You call it stupidity others call it dedication to being the best they can be and also wanting to be the best at what they are doing.

Re: Well hell may be freezing over (workout)

Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:40 pm
by scared?
Crossfit coaches :olo: ...

Re: Well hell may be freezing over (workout)

Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:53 pm
by YourGrandpa
Don I've never been to or performed a Crossfit session. Just hearing about all of the injuries and the training methods was enough discouraged my involvement. The people I've spoken with have the same high opinion of their "coaches" too. My coach competes in Crossfit competitions, my coach is a semi-pro MMA fighter, my coach is blah, blah, blah. But the real question is what schooling, training and experience does the so called coach have. And even if the owner or senior coach is qualified, that doesn't mean all of his assistants are. Furthermore, the training methods are prone to injury and the cult like mentality is bizarre.

Certainly I'm making generalized assertions about Crossfit. Not every Crossfit facility is going to be bad. I'm sure your coach and his/her staff are all experts. They would never allow anyone to perform exercises in an unsafe manor. Everyone at your Box (that just doesn't sound right) has had a thorough physical evaluation and is always conscious of their current physical conditioning. They would never workout or let a fellow Crossfitter workout to the point where fatigue could get them injured. I'm sure your Box, like everyone else's Box, is the best Box of them all. I wish you continued success with your endeavors and many injury free WODs.

Best of Luck.

Re: Well hell may be freezing over (workout)

Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 11:01 pm
by seremtan
"unsafe manor"

the health & safety nightmare of every duke

Re: Well hell may be freezing over (workout)

Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 11:28 pm
by Plan B
Unsafe Manor: The Injurying

Rated ouch

Re: Well hell may be freezing over (workout)

Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 12:51 am
by LawL
YourGrandpa giving training advice... on training he's never done. :olo:

Re: Well hell may be freezing over (workout)

Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 5:54 am
by [xeno]Julios
Don Carlos wrote:What ever is programmed - AMRAPs on the whole are not heavy, usually two or three movements. Any weight related stuff is either light with medium reps or medium weights for low reps
Do you have a program that you follow? Or is it just random WODs?

Do you incorporate progressive loading and periodization?

Re: Well hell may be freezing over (workout)

Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 6:07 am
by scared?
lol i over heard these three morons at the easter egg hunt talking about their decade of cross-fitting...these chumps weren't fat...but they were tiny...they asked me if i cross-fit...when i told the noobs i hadn't touch a weight in 3 years they were floored...and jellus...and mad...lol crossfit morons... :olo: ...

Re: Well hell may be freezing over (workout)

Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 9:52 am
by seremtan
seremtan wrote:"unsafe manor"

the health & safety nightmare of every duke
"pier pressure"

one man's struggle against all the odds to manage a small marina

Re: Well hell may be freezing over (workout)

Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 4:14 pm
by LawL
scared? wrote:i hadn't touch a weight in 3 years
Pathetic. :olo:

Re: Well hell may be freezing over (workout)

Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 11:33 am
by Don Carlos
YourGrandpa wrote:Don I've never been to or performed a Crossfit session. Just hearing about all of the injuries and the training methods was enough discouraged my involvement. The people I've spoken with have the same high opinion of their "coaches" too. My coach competes in Crossfit competitions, my coach is a semi-pro MMA fighter, my coach is blah, blah, blah. But the real question is what schooling, training and experience does the so called coach have. And even if the owner or senior coach is qualified, that doesn't mean all of his assistants are. Furthermore, the training methods are prone to injury and the cult like mentality is bizarre.

Certainly I'm making generalized assertions about Crossfit. Not every Crossfit facility is going to be bad. I'm sure your coach and his/her staff are all experts. They would never allow anyone to perform exercises in an unsafe manor. Everyone at your Box (that just doesn't sound right) has had a thorough physical evaluation and is always conscious of their current physical conditioning. They would never workout or let a fellow Crossfitter workout to the point where fatigue could get them injured. I'm sure your Box, like everyone else's Box, is the best Box of them all. I wish you continued success with your endeavors and many injury free WODs.

Best of Luck.
Your original post makes more sense now

Re: Well hell may be freezing over (workout)

Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 6:41 pm
by mrd
seremtan wrote:"unsafe manor"

the health & safety nightmare of every duke
fuck :olo:

YGP is a gold mine of puns

Re: Well hell may be freezing over (workout)

Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 7:52 pm
by HM-PuFFNSTuFF
scared? wrote:lol i over heard these three morons at the easter egg hunt
fuck you

Re: Well hell may be freezing over (workout)

Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 9:01 pm
by [xeno]Julios
[xeno]Julios wrote:
Don Carlos wrote:What ever is programmed - AMRAPs on the whole are not heavy, usually two or three movements. Any weight related stuff is either light with medium reps or medium weights for low reps
Do you have a program that you follow? Or is it just random WODs?

Do you incorporate progressive loading and periodization?

Still waiting!

Re: Well hell may be freezing over (workout)

Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 9:58 pm
by Don Carlos
[xeno]Julios wrote:
Don Carlos wrote:What ever is programmed - AMRAPs on the whole are not heavy, usually two or three movements. Any weight related stuff is either light with medium reps or medium weights for low reps
Do you have a program that you follow? Or is it just random WODs?

Do you incorporate progressive loading and periodization?
Sorry Juls

Yes, we have set cycles at our box, so we will do a strength cycle or a metcon cycle for about 16 weeks. for instance, we establish a 1 rep max for different lifts in the first week; squats, presses, cleans, snatches, deadlifts etc etc then we scale back and do 3x5 at a chosen weight. Then every week we add 2.5kg to the weight for a number of weeks and then retest one RMs. Usual dramatic increases are shown (10/15 per cent increase in most cases. Some of the newbies will be considerably higher than that). The WODs then are programmed around what lifts we have done so it isn't stressing the parts of our bodies we have just smashed with lifts.

Re: Well hell may be freezing over (workout)

Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 10:07 pm
by [xeno]Julios
awesome, then as far as anyone is concerned, you are doing training.

Re: Well hell may be freezing over (workout)

Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 3:08 am
by scared?
No he isn't... :olo: ...

Re: Well hell may be freezing over (workout)

Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 5:31 pm
by Don Carlos
scared? wrote:No he isn't... :olo: ...
Like you'd have any clue, Aids boy :olo:

Re: Well hell may be freezing over (workout)

Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 6:40 pm
by YourGrandpa
If I'm performing regimented exercises with the goals of building strength, lowering my body fat and increasing my over-all ability to perform cardiovascular related activities, am I training or working out? Now when I've reached those goals and continue the regimented exercises to maintain my condition, am I still training or working out?

It would seem to me that "training" would imply the regimented exercising was being done to improve one's ability to perform a specific activity not directly associated with the results of working out.

Re: Well hell may be freezing over (workout)

Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 11:18 pm
by [xeno]Julios
to me, training implies a disciplined approach with a specific goal of creating physiologic adaptations/refinement of motor skills. I'd say maintenance could be a form of training.

Re: Well hell may be freezing over (workout)

Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 12:04 am
by scared?
If ur a pretentious moron u could call it that...

Re: Well hell may be freezing over (workout)

Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 12:28 am
by [xeno]Julios
scared? wrote:If ur a pretentious moron u could call it that...
I'm gonna make you cum so hard, friend.