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Memphis wrote:That woman is cancer.

100% this. She's so bitter it's almost funny.

lol!

seriously though, the only way to avoid Brexit now is to not invoke Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty

http://www.lisbon-treaty.org/wcm/the-li ... le-50.html

ok so here is my biggest problem with this whole situation.

Where is the plan?

on Friday, the only person who genuinely looked jubilant was Farage, but he's a fucking moron.
Where is the politician demanding Cameron's immediate withdrawal, who clearly wants his job and hands on the reins of the UK?
fucking nowhere that's where. Internal bickering, political implosion on both sides.

Boris Johnson looked like his mum had died on Friday, not that he'd been one of the leading voices on the side that won. Supposedly he's tipped to be the next PM, he sure didn't look like he wanted it.


The braying masses all looked happy about being able to lock up "fortress Britain", the UKIP mps all have smirks on their faces, and that's about it... oh yeah and Katie Hopkins loves it too.
Seriously, there isn't one politician, public figure (celebrity or not) or IRL person that I have any respect for who is publicly happy about the outcome of the referendum. From up here in scotland, it just looks like a victory for provincial little england small-mindedness, and I just don't understand the welsh outcome at all.

My thoughts exactly.

I think the main thing for Wales atm is to renegotiate the Barnett formula. If the Welsh assembly can't do that then we're seriously gonna struggle.

Scotland ?, looks like they're trying to force through another referendum, understandably.

Northern Ireland are like lost kids trying to chose which parent they like best.

England, new PM, spose Boris is gonna tell us his grand plan when he comes up with it. I suspect it'll involve wiff waff.

It's also worth mentioning the EU partially funded my degree via grants and are also the only entity in Wales that help support start up business ventures via grants (free money). They fund business, small and large, by providing funds for wages, 90m allocated for apprenticeship programs in South Wales. They havn't long finished a £100m project that helped redevelop our town centre and another £60+m project by building an A road. 3 streets over they had a 30m project to redevelop houses, the local community centre that closed down thanks to Tory cuts is still running thanks to the EU funding youth projects and this is just shit that I know about, all within the last 3 years. It's insane that Newport at the very least voted the way it did.

The only thing I can think of is that these were the deprived areas rebelling ?, North England and Wales mainly - Labour heartlands. Where Scotland voters flocked to the SNP I think the Welsh voters paid a little too much attention to UKIP. The Welsh, even if the economy takes off like a rocket thanks to Brexit, would still have lost out massively.

I think Brexit could be a really good thing for the British.

Maybe they'll finally get their shit together and stop drinking so much.

If they're collectively sober for long enough to hear themselves speak, maybe they'll finally can it with the goofy accent even.

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losCHUNK wrote:My thoughts exactly.

I think the main thing for Wales atm is to renegotiate the Barnett formula. If the Welsh assembly can't do that then we're seriously gonna struggle.

Scotland ?, looks like they're trying to force through another referendum, understandably.

Northern Ireland are like lost kids trying to chose which parent they like best.

England, new PM, spose Boris is gonna tell us his grand plan when he comes up with it. I suspect it'll involve wiff waff.

It's also worth mentioning the EU partially funded my degree via grants and are also the only entity in Wales that help support start up business ventures via grants (free money). They fund business, small and large, by providing funds for wages, 90m allocated for apprenticeship programs in South Wales. They havn't long finished a £100m project that helped redevelop our town centre and another £60+m project by building an A road. 3 streets over they had a 30m project to redevelop houses, the local community centre that closed down thanks to Tory cuts is still running thanks to the EU funding youth projects and this is just shit that I know about, all within the last 3 years. It's insane that Newport at the very least voted the way it did.

The only thing I can think of is that these were the deprived areas rebelling ?, North England and Wales mainly - Labour heartlands. Where Scotland voters flocked to the SNP I think the Welsh voters paid a little too much attention to UKIP. The Welsh, even if the economy takes off like a rocket thanks to Brexit, would still have lost out massively.

Yup
M4 relief road gone
Phase 2 of Friars Walk gone

Wonder if the germans are sat there thinking "hmmmm we've seen this sort of change in public mood before".

Lol, is that real? If so that's uncanny.

The whole BSE scare turned out to be mostly rubbish though didn't it?

It can't be but it made me laugh...

That has to be bull

look at all those stuck-up elites in Dundee, sneering at the dirty plebs of, uh, Kent

Ryoki wrote:Lol, is that real? If so that's uncanny.

The whole BSE scare turned out to be mostly rubbish though didn't it?

...

u guys figure this out yet?

Memphis wrote:Yup. People at large are sick and tired of collectivist social progression, without the economical. Noone cares that a town or a city has more or less funding because that's not their own pockets anyway. They see it get spent on too much stupid shit and not on the public services that they pay taxes for. Quality of life has been quantitively degrading for the average working family. Yet, young people have been so conditioned into contempt for the masses that they forget they even exist and when they vote 'fuck this' the first chance they get, everyone who's well off, in academia, or warming their feet at the club is stunned and wonders what the fuck all these oddballs queuing at food banks across the UK are playing at. Crony capitalism has to end and bringing down these big institutions that funnel coin into treating the symptoms and not the disease is a necessary first step. Leavers ripped a manky band-aid off the country is all. Now we rub some dirt in, stiffen that upper lip and walk it the fuck off like Brits have always done. We'll be fine.

nice cartoon bro, the plucky 52% throwing off the sneering, elitist yoke of their 48% oppressors

it's like Zuccotti Park just got relocated to Narnia

Memphis wrote:http://labourlist.org/2016/06/corbyn-addresses-crowd-of-up-to-10000-on-eve-of-confidence-vote/

And the neoliberals are still utterly convinced, that ousting Corbyn and going again for a Tory-lite remain backing approach, after the fact, is the way to 'win an election'. Fucking. Retards.

Honest to God. These so called 'leaders' are just plain, simple, greed riddled cunters out for themselves and their own sociopathic ideology. Blairites and their beloved New Labour, which lets them push and divide with social issues, whilst ever persuing the Tory dream of cash-money-for-my-kind, needs utterly stamping out.

I am frankly disgusted by Labour backbenchers, who have attempted to sieze party control (again, again again), whilst the country is in the midst of a national crisis. If I were Queen Vic, I'd be going full Cersei Lannister on them for treason and have Hilary Benn's head on a fucking spike.

Labour is fucked and has been for a while, if the referendum taught us anything is that the entire party has lost touch with its electorate. Including Corbyn, he did this to himself, he knew the knife edge he was riding and its bitten him in the arse in exactly the same way as DC, he might aswell have thrown his mandate in the bin. For a politician he doesn't seem to grasp the consequences of his actions, it was the same when he sacked Benn and showing naivety, now 2/3rds of his shadow cabinet has fucked off and 150 MPs are primed to rebel. He'll get torn apart by the Torys when the hammer falls.

Support is already shying away before this shitstorm too, they lost seats in the Welsh elections and a significant proportion of the vote, aswell has losing a buttload of councilors nationwide. The only victory he had was the mayor of London who promptly criticised Corbyn once becoming elected.

This was an opportunity for Corbyn to come forward like a saviour as the man with a plan, he could've hammered the Torys into the ground with this.

Dan Jarvis anyone ?

Corbyn is a nice bloke with some good ideas, but can you imagine him genuinely leading this country and negotiating with the EU on what we want? Not a chance. I would prefer DC doing that shit all day. I might disagree on what DC is about most of the time, but at least he can hold his own in a debate and in negotiations.

Get someone with some backbone in.

Dan Jarvis - Yup
Chuka Umunna - Yup
Andy Burnham - Maybe
Angela Eagle - Not a clue about her but apparently she has a lot of support

Memphis wrote:

Don Carlos wrote:Corbyn is a nice bloke with some good ideas, but can you imagine him genuinely leading this country and negotiating with the EU on what we want? Not a chance.

Do you reckon they'll pin him down and give him a wedgie?

Maybe Corbyn could negotiate well by simply being plain and respectful, and not in an argy-bargy Trumpish way. This X Factoralike want for a superstar populist on behalf of salty remainers is going to make the party a complete joke. Tories are gonna be the only openly pro-Brexit party in a Brexit world, other than UKIP who'll they'll split votes with. Lib Dems hardly exist and have nothing to offer but 'we'll try and go backwards' and Scotland will overwhelmingly vote Cancer, leaving Neo-Labour shuffling up to the table with a face like a bulldog licking piss off a thistle and once again, essentially offering a differently seasoned serving of gruel to the other three choices.

Did you see PMQs yesterday? Corbyn was pretty shocking. Especially for someone educated at Grammar school, the place place where most of the key demographic of the Labour party go for education

He wants to get rid of Trident, speak to Argentina about giving the Falklands back and bring back sympathy strikes to name a few silly things he has come up with. His stay campaign was next to useless; where were his reasoned and well thought out facts about staying in the EU? If he believed in it that much (which, spoiler alert, he doesn't given he voted against every major decision they have made; Joining the EU itself, Lisbon Treaty, Maastricht Treaty) where were his facts and his ability to persuade the Labour voters to vote remain?

There is some belief that he wanted to leave, hence the shitty campaign. If that is the case, why didn't have a clear plan put in place that he could outline to the public after we voted out? One that he could make himself look like a shining beacon of hope and sensible thinking? Because he is in over his head and doesn't have the support of his own party any more.
He has split a labour party already in turmoil after the last election and the beneficiaries of his nonsense is a surge in right wing politics and therefore UKIP and well as the "common man" vote to the SNP in Scotland and incredibly, the Tories in England and Wales. Corbyn belongs in the Lib Dem party, not Labour. Chuka Umunna needs to get his arse in the hot seat.

Memphis wrote:Maybe this is bullshit, 'cos I haven't looked into sources (bar the original Polish article), sounds pretty scary though...

The foreign ministers of France and Germany are due to reveal a blueprint to effectively do away with individual member states in what is being described as an “ultimatum”.

Under the radical proposals EU countries will lose the right to have their own army, criminal law, taxation system or central bank, with all those powers being transferred to Brussels.

Controversially member states would also lose what few controls they have left over their own borders, including the procedure for admitting and relocating refugees.

The plot has sparked fury and panic in Poland - a traditional ally of Britain in the fight against federalism - after being leaked to Polish news channel TVP Info.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/ ... ate-Brexit

I don't believe that for one second. Even if there were any plans remotely like that, they certainly wouldn't reveal them now.

Memphis wrote:Maybe this is bullshit, 'cos I haven't looked into sources (bar the original Polish article), sounds pretty scary though...

Yeah, pretty sure this is utter bullshit. What Eraser said.

Seems like you Brits are in danger of underestimating how us mainlanders feels about you leaving.

How angry are people? Serious question

it was an act of strategic genius [/sarcasm] to propose an EU superstate over-ruling member states, not just because of Brexit, but because there's a lot of anti-EU sentiment going on right across Europe

flame gasoline = EUpocalypse

Don Carlos wrote:How angry are people? Serious question

Mostly flabbergasted and angry i guess. The average person i spoke to about this (to give you an idea about how close to the hearts of folks this is; i've already had several conversations about it with random folks i do not know) feels betrayed and would like to see a fighting divorce rather than an amicable parting of ways. The news that the EU told the UK there will be no prenegotiations before article 50 is triggered has a lot of popular support for instance.

'Oh yeah, you're leaving? Make it fast and pay for it then Brits, fuck you' is the general sentiment, i'd say.

Farage is a bellend but he is a wonderful public speaker