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Post by **Tormentius** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 4:55 pm

KO wrote:
Evolution, we've had 125fps for years, we no longer play on 56k modems on flakey servers, using 100dpi mice, looking at a 50hz 15" 400x400 monitor. Today it has to be smooth.. especially for fast FPS. Otherwise is looks and feels worse than ever before.

What you're saying is that you're used to playing on an old game engine at top performance with hardware more than up to the task but you're sniveling because a new game doesn't give you the same performance on your (probably dated) hardware. Suck it up and upgrade or tweak your system. Its not like the options aren't available.

Post by **Tormentius** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 4:57 pm

Foo wrote:
I'm starting to understand why some of you are struggling to see why Q4 was such an utter failure, given you can't grasp very basic comparison and analysis.

Other people just happen to disagree with it being a failure you pedantic little twat.

Post by **Foo** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 5:21 pm

Didn't you recently go off one one and practically get me banned for flaming in T&T? I got vague recollections of you stickying and editing some of my posts to boot.

The least you could do is be consistent.

Post by **Tormentius** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 5:24 pm

First, you weren't banned for flaming in T&T you were banned for being an ass after both raw and I told you to drop it.

Second, this isn't T&T and I'm not a mod here. Riddla is free to delete any posts he finds offensive.

Post by **pjw** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 5:26 pm

This is a fun thread.
It makes me want to dance.

Post by **GODLIKE** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 5:27 pm

lol. Okay.. Better. :icon31:

Post by **Foo** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 5:32 pm

Tormentius wrote:First, you weren't banned for flaming in T&T you were banned for being an ass after both raw and I told you to drop it.

Second, this isn't T&T and I'm not a mod here. Riddla is free to delete any posts he finds offensive.

I ain got time for your excuses cause I'm eating... It'd be good for you to come down off the blind fanboy defence routine into the world of backing stuff up with points, and accepting other people's points where appropriately backed up without spiralling off into name-calling. Self control is a useful ability, especially for stopping yourself looking silly.

You're gonna be doing more harm for the game than helping it along in any way if you're more interested in forcing your own viewpoint through irrespective of all evidence, than people who can bring the problems to the table, isolate them, and if not help this game along any then certainly provide a roadmap of things that went wrong for future developments to bear in mind.

Post by **Foo** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 5:37 pm

And yeah, I know....

If it gets beyond you, I'm pedantic

If I bring another game in as a comparison, that game's 'shit'

If I bring in the previous games in the series, I'm a fanboy who'd never be pleased.

I think that about covers it.

Post by **pjw** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 5:40 pm

I'm through dancing; now it's time for some yummy watermelon.

Post by **Tormentius** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 5:45 pm

Foo wrote:

I ain got time for your excuses cause I'm eating... It'd be good for you to come down off the blind fanboy defence routine into the world of backing stuff up with points, and accepting other people's points where appropriately backed up without spiralling off into name-calling. Self control is a useful ability, especially for stopping yourself looking silly. You're gonna be doing more harm for the game than helping it along in any way if you're more interested in forcing your own viewpoint through irrespective of all evidence, than people who can bring the problems to the table, isolate them, and if not help this game along any then certainly provide a roadmap of things that went wrong for future developments to bear in mind.

You obviously just found the time :icon27:. Its not a blind fanboy defense but rather a comment on the mentality of the rather vocal minority of players who have shite hardware or badly tuned systems and expect top performance. If you don't like it then either ignore it or disagree but don't expect me to not post a counter-opinion when those people are whining.

Post by **Tormentius** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 5:56 pm

riddla wrote:I dont expect top performance, the game just plain sucks ass merely from a feature-set pov. Gameplay really sucks as well. The engine is shit as well, so I dont even have much hope for ET:QW either.

Fair enough. My comment wasn't directed towards anyone who just plain out doesn't like the game.

Post by **Foo** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 6:03 pm

Tormentius wrote:Its not a blind fanboy defense but rather a comment on the mentality of the rather vocal minority of players who have shite hardware or badly tuned systems and expect top performance.

That's a completely different thread of conversation to the one where you started replying to me.

Post by **Tormentius** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 6:09 pm

Foo wrote:
That's a completely different thread of conversation to the one where you started replying to me.

Are you talking about my point that the game will take time and multiple patches to reach the level of polish that Q3 has? That point still stands but congratulations, you managed to clue in to the fact that I made more than one point in a thread.

Post by **4days** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 6:12 pm

pjw wrote:I'm through dancing; now it's time for some yummy watermelon.

ffs, that made me jump

Post by **prince1000** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 6:18 pm

Tormentius wrote:
Foo wrote:

I ain got time for your excuses cause I'm eating... It'd be good for you to come down off the blind fanboy defence routine into the world of backing stuff up with points, and accepting other people's points where appropriately backed up without spiralling off into name-calling. Self control is a useful ability, especially for stopping yourself looking silly. You're gonna be doing more harm for the game than helping it along in any way if you're more interested in forcing your own viewpoint through irrespective of all evidence, than people who can bring the problems to the table, isolate them, and if not help this game along any then certainly provide a roadmap of things that went wrong for future developments to bear in mind.
You obviously just found the time :icon27:. Its not a blind fanboy defense but rather a comment on the mentality of the rather vocal minority of players who have shite hardware or badly tuned systems and expect top performance. If you don't like it then either ignore it or disagree but don't expect me to not post a counter-opinion when those people are whining.

it is not only hardware limitations that makes this game unplayable for so many people. personally, i can only duel/2v2 in q4max but i get solid 50+ fps with a really tweaked cfg. there's so many inherent things wrong with gameplay. compounded with sound issues, mouse issues, netcode issues and total lack of interest as a whole community (even 'pros' DREAD practicing this game) this game just isn't fun for a lot of people. fyi, there are plenty of people that have upgraded and know their way around a config and their computer that are experiencing the same technical issues i do on my outdated, q3-era xp2400/9600XT.

that's not to say ill never upgrade or play q4. if a year/6 months/next week from now the game is improved and people actually start playing then sure ill play it. the game is no longer on a lot of people's hdd's given it's current state.

Post by **GODLIKE** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 6:19 pm

riddla wrote:I dont expect top performance, the game just plain sucks ass merely from a feature-set pov. Gameplay really sucks as well. [snip].

This interests me, at least, a teensy bit. Not MUCH interest, because I suspect we'll both tire of it instantly, but:

I play Quake 4 like three times a week, and I'm digging it.. I've played ALL the Quakes, and Doom3. While I'm no pro, I don't suck. And, I like Q4. A lot, even. In fact, I can't go back to Q2 or Q3, now, because it annoys me if I can't crouch slide... But anyway:

I might agree with you on features.. I miss a real console log, I miss GTV, and some other things, but:

Why (And please, please try to do this while saying something more useful than "it sucks") do you think the gameplay sucks?

I'm at least moderately interested.. You seem like you're not an idiot.

Post by **GODLIKE** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 6:22 pm

pjw wrote:I'm through dancing; now it's time for some yummy watermelon.

Clearly, your clipart collection is mighty, and pwns all. :icon25: ++

Post by **DooMer** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 6:29 pm

I'd have to completely disagree with that.

Post by **DooMer** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 6:31 pm

Who is Troll, and why is he stealing my Deadzone opinion? http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1160018

I've got my eye on you. :icon6:

Post by **GODLIKE** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 6:34 pm

RE: two posts up by Riddla..

That's at least coherent. I actually disagree about the weaps balance for 1.3, I think it's not bad (they COULD have nerfed the rail a tad, but that's me).

I don't play much CTF.. I'm a DM/TDM player pretty much purely.. So I won't shame myself by talking out my ass about it.

(LOL @ pic)

/me goes to do actual work..

Post by KO » Wed Aug 02, 2006 6:59 pm

Tormentius wrote:rather vocal minority of players who have shite hardware or badly tuned systems and expect top performance.

So thats what you think huh. Q4 does'nt run like shit.. its just our poor hardware.

An estimate would be around 1 in 50 gamers systems can run Q4 smoothly(constant 50-60fps). Whats your estimate Tormentius?

Post by **Tormentius** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 7:39 pm

KO wrote:
An estimate would be around 1 in 50 gamers systems can run Q4 smoothly(constant 50-60fps). Whats your estimate Tormentius?

There aren't any reliable statistics to back that assertion and you're pulling that number out of your ass. I won't even bother taking a guess since thats all it would be.

Just out of morbid curiousity what hardware are you trying to run Q4 on?

Post by **Zombie13** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 11:25 pm

I run Quake 4 on a 3.06 P4 with HT, 2 gig of low latency DDR2, and a X1900XTX and I still get hitchy/lag while playing at 1024x768 medium quality. Playing with a ping of 20-40 as well.

Yet I run single player at 1280x1024 ultra quality with 16x AF and 4x FSAA and get 60fps everywhere.

Z

Post by **GODLIKE** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 12:11 am

Zombie13 wrote:I run Quake 4 on a 3.06 P4 with HT, 2 gig of low latency DDR2, and a X1900XTX and I still get hitchy/lag while playing at 1024x768 medium quality. Playing with a ping of 20-40 as well.
Z

Betcha on LAN you'd do fine.. Q4 is really, really picky about net traffic. Make sure you don't have SMP 1 and the lagometer on, though.. that still generates all kind of skitter in-game.

:icon26:

Post by **Duhard** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 1:56 am

riddla wrote:I dont expect top performance, the game just plain sucks ass merely from a feature-set pov. Gameplay really sucks as well. The engine is shit as well, so I dont even have much hope for ET:QW either.

Poor Tormentius never had the chance to learn how to play q3 properly so don't expect him to grasp the basics of a pure deathmatching experience.