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YourGrandpa wrote:It is red vs blue and it's a shame. Even worse, you still have idiots trying to blame someone from the other side as they refuse to acknowledge the corruption in their own party. You've been successfully brainwashed if you claim a D or an R.

Incoherent babbling... Wtf, ban this idiot...

He means its fair for him to vote for the republican candidate and not be labeled a republican but if you vote for the dem candidate you’re brainwashed and a corrupt dumbocrat.

LOL. Backwards rational.

I think both party candidates are bad. But I truly don't want what Biden represents and I have no other choice. And to clarify, since your type loves to twist words. I said, "You've been successfully brainwashed if you claim a D or an R." You can vote for whoever you want.

So I’m guessing Gramps is registered no party, “independent “, since he doesn’t claim a D or R? I highly doubt it...

YourGrandpa wrote:
I think.

No u don't... Ur a fucking moron...

YourGrandpa wrote:
I think both party candidates are bad. But I truly don't want what Biden represents and I have no other choice.

But you are okay with what Trump represents? (The lying, the incompetence, the collusion with foreign governments, the flirting with white supremacists, etc, etc)

you forgot to mention profound stupidity on an epic scale

I could deal with his stupidity if it wasn't for his blatant destruction of America's democracy. That's what I don't get about Gramps, oh no Biden is soooo bad I hate his policies. But yeah, I'll vote for the guy who's literally dismantling democracy one step at a time cause I'd prefer that. Like what exactly is Biden doing that Gramps disagree's with so vehemently that he'd rather vote for that?

I'd rather have the racist rapist who doesn't care about american troops who wants to turn the US into a dictatorship over the other guy cause the other guy wants what exactly? What is it about Biden's policies that are so much worse? I don't fucking get it and I don't he does either. It's obvious he's just burying his head in the sand and isn't looking at this objectively whatsoever. Sorry gramps but you're an absolute tool.

Part of Trump's presidency campaigns, both 2016 and 2020 is a smear campaign against the opposition. Hillary wasn't nearly as bad as lots of people make her out to be and the same is true for Biden. Gramps is one of those people who gobble up that nonsense.

But Benghazi! And her emails!...

Eraser wrote:Part of Trump's presidency campaigns, both 2016 and 2020 is a smear campaign against the opposition. Hillary wasn't nearly as bad as lots of people make her out to be and the same is true for Biden. Gramps is one of those people who gobble up that nonsense.

Yeah I'm not actually buying that excuse anymore. I think these people are just straight up racists that want to watch the world burn. It's all ha ha look at democrats being upset until you have gestapos and gas chambers then it's all like "Oh noes we didn't know that was happening!" With their hands up in the air like this wasn't entirely preventable and they weren't a part of it step for step the whole time they were being told about it. Mark my words, Trump WILL try to win this election by cheating and if he loses he won't go willingly if at all and Americans literally have no one else to blame but themselves over the fall of America. The future looks so bleak and the best part about it is his kids will pay the price.

You guys are forgetting, Gramps doesn’t see the same information and news articles that you see. He sees everything Facebook shovels his way. And yes, it’s still his fault for teaching the algorithm the type of information he likes. But I guarantee you, his feed is full of like minded people spewing the same shit Gramps is spewing. And the algorithm feeds Gramps the same articles his friends are reading.

Don’t get me wrong. Gramps is dumber than a bag of hammers. But the people of the U.S. aren’t as dumb and crazy as you Euros (and others) think. We are being manipulated by Russia. Attacked on a daily basis to cause chaos and division. And I’m sure Russia is targeting other countries. But not to the extent of the U.S. attacks.

Sure, you can just call us dumb and crazy. But you’re not seeing what we’re seeing. We’re seeing what Russia wants us to see. And it’s tearing us apart. I think we’ll be ok, but we first have to admit that Russia is a problem. And recognize the manipulation.

https://www.rand.org/blog/2020/07/how-y ... icans.html

"muh russia"

i don't doubt that the russians (and others) are trying to influence elections in other countries to their own advantage, but do we actually know how effective this is? has it been measured at all? can russki propaganda be traced as the cause of people's beliefs (or a causal factor)?

the reason i ask is these election-influencing games are simply marketing, no different from the marketing done for products and services. as someone who actually works in marketing i can tell you it's harder than you think to work out why someone bought what you were selling.

for instance, suppose a bunch of people click on a FB link to a story about how Biden is a secret communist who wants to turn your kids trans, and then it turns out that 85% of those people went on to vote for Trump. did they vote for Trump (or become more likely to vote for Trump) because of the story, or were they already going to vote for Trump and clicked on the link because it sounded like a story that confirmed their existing worldview?

last touch attribution is an imperfect means of measuring marketing effectiveness, just saying

seremtan wrote:"muh russia"

i don't doubt that the russians (and others) are trying to influence elections in other countries to their own advantage, but do we actually know how effective this is? has it been measured at all? can russki propaganda be traced as the cause of people's beliefs (or a causal factor)?

the reason i ask is these election-influencing games are simply marketing, no different from the marketing done for products and services. as someone who actually works in marketing i can tell you it's harder than you think to work out why someone bought what you were selling.

for instance, suppose a bunch of people click on a FB link to a story about how Biden is a secret communist who wants to turn your kids trans, and then it turns out that 85% of those people went on to vote for Trump. did they vote for Trump (or become more likely to vote for Trump) because of the story, or were they already going to vote for Trump and clicked on the link because it sounded like a story that confirmed their existing worldview?

last touch attribution is an imperfect means of measuring marketing effectiveness, just saying

If marketing didn't work then you wouldn't have a job. A lot of people cited the wikileaks story weeks before the election as the reason they voted for Trump. Cambridge Analytica had a lot of involvement in pushing false stories and narratives to get Trump votes. Yeah it matters... It also goes beyond just marketing, Russia is literally funding the republicans through groups like the NRA, if that's not a huge red flag I don't know what it would take. The idea of a foreign country funneling money to help elect an individual from another country should go against the core of any democracy.

I think it’s an accumulation of a lot of things. Sure, it could be information bias. But when all you see are conspiracy theories and hate articles towards your rival tribe, then it’s only going to solidify your opinion. It seals the door to open-mindedness.

A person can have a certain opinion of something and keep an open mind. But if you’re bombarded with false information and conspiracy theories, then you can easily slide into a more solidified opinion. It’s a slippery slope. Especially if you don’t have a strong understanding of how the internet and social media works...

^this

My parents who were never political their entire lives had a switch flipped in 2016. Now it consumes their daily life complete with a portrait of Trump in the house. Everything is a life an death battle for the souls of the country now. Mind you these are rural white folk who haven’t been touched by any government policy change in decades, and still aren’t.

Last time i saw my dad he was trying to convince me the economy was still booming. That’s effective marketing.

Having a portrait of your current, and very temporary, leader in your house is some crazy shit :olo:

seremtan wrote:"muh russia"

i don't doubt that the russians (and others) are trying to influence elections in other countries to their own advantage, but do we actually know how effective this is? has it been measured at all? can russki propaganda be traced as the cause of people's beliefs (or a causal factor)?

the reason i ask is these election-influencing games are simply marketing, no different from the marketing done for products and services. as someone who actually works in marketing i can tell you it's harder than you think to work out why someone bought what you were selling.

for instance, suppose a bunch of people click on a FB link to a story about how Biden is a secret communist who wants to turn your kids trans, and then it turns out that 85% of those people went on to vote for Trump. did they vote for Trump (or become more likely to vote for Trump) because of the story, or were they already going to vote for Trump and clicked on the link because it sounded like a story that confirmed their existing worldview?

last touch attribution is an imperfect means of measuring marketing effectiveness, just saying

You should watch SmarterEveryDay's series on social media manipulation. It has Destin (the guy behind the channel) talk with YouTube, Twitter, Facebook and Reddit representatives about social manipulation and the severity of it. Real interesting stuff.
Here's the playlist https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... tzhXzhpZHu

The first two vids are more general and a bit out-of-scope to be honest, but the last four are the YouTube/Twitter/Facebook/Reddit ones.

shaft wrote:^this

My parents who were never political their entire lives had a switch flipped in 2016. Now it consumes their daily life complete with a portrait of Trump in the house. Everything is a life an death battle for the souls of the country now. Mind you these are rural white folk who haven’t been touched by any government policy change in decades, and still aren’t.

Last time i saw my dad he was trying to convince me the economy was still booming. That’s effective marketing.

Thank god my dad isn’t on Facebook. He’s still halfway thinking clearly about everything. Although he does still hear his fair share from idiot coworkers (who are all on social media). Luckily my mother is so passive that the shit she sees doesn’t affect her. I know it’s great to be politically active, but honestly, I’d rather her be passively blissful than some right or left leaning nutjob...

YourGrandpa wrote:I know your bias is a debilitating mental handicap. But I'm sure if you re-read you'll clearly see I said "return of". You have to be familiar with how things were before Covid 19 and George Floyd, neither of which were Trumps fault.

Trump has the blood of thousands of American lives on his hands from Covid alone. However, nothing I say is going to deter you from being a Fox News talking point. Best of luck, I hope you and your family stay safe.

Also WWII was ended in 1917.

raw wrote:

YourGrandpa wrote:I know your bias is a debilitating mental handicap. But I'm sure if you re-read you'll clearly see I said "return of". You have to be familiar with how things were before Covid 19 and George Floyd, neither of which were Trumps fault.

Trump has the blood of thousands of American lives on his hands from Covid alone. However, nothing I say is going to deter you from being a Fox News talking point. Best of luck, I hope you and your family stay safe.

^^^ The lone sane Floridian? Maybe...

Nah man, there's a lot of us here. The problem is, the leadership here is all Republican and they'll do anything to keep it that way.

Look at the last election, Floridians voted for the Voting Rights Act which would give felons their right back to vote once they were out. Source

The government stepped in and basically invalidated what the people voted for. I believe, like others that if everyone who was allowed to vote in Florida did, this would be a blue state.

Oh absolutely it would be. It’s similar with private prisons. They want to keep weed illegal to keep people incarcerated that would otherwise vote for the blue. There are 700,000 people in jail right now in the USA because of possession. That’s a lot of votes to suppress...

IIRC, one of the big reasons why there are so many crazy stories out of Florida is because the law allows for journalists to get access to police reports more easily than a lot of other states.