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Kracus wrote:Pick an eminem song and do that. It'd be great since it's actualy contemporary and clever enough to merrit some recognition.

But it's not an example of romanticism at all you fucking twit.

Jackal wrote:

Kracus wrote:Pick an eminem song and do that. It'd be great since it's actualy contemporary and clever enough to merrit some recognition.

But it's not an example of romanticism at all you fucking twit.

ro·man·ti·cism

often Romanticism An artistic and intellectual movement originating in Europe in the late 18th century and characterized by a heightened interest in nature, emphasis on the individual's expression of emotion and imagination, departure from the attitudes and forms of classicism, and rebellion against established social rules and conventions.

In most songs he does talk about nature but not in the idea of trees and flowers, hell maybe he does actualy but he does talk about human nature, expression of emotion and love. I'm not trying to be smart here but you guys are seriously fucked if you can't see that. It's not all black and white, there ARE shades of gray... heh... shades... shady... lol... anyway yeah you suck.

Kracus, you answer phones for a living. I have a degree in English literature, do not even try to debate this point with me, ok? You cannot even hope to keep up here. Also, your phone is ringing.

Kracus can dial up 1-800-Dictionary faster than any other fag.

He doesn't even dial. It's on speed dial. Sucrak has all the hookups.

Kracus wrote:

Jackal wrote:

Kracus wrote:Pick an eminem song and do that. It'd be great since it's actualy contemporary and clever enough to merrit some recognition.

But it's not an example of romanticism at all you fucking twit.

ro·man·ti·cism

often Romanticism An artistic and intellectual movement originating in Europe in the late 18th century and characterized by a heightened interest in nature, emphasis on the individual's expression of emotion and imagination, departure from the attitudes and forms of classicism, and rebellion against established social rules and conventions.

In most songs he does talk about nature but not in the idea of trees and flowers, hell maybe he does actualy but he does talk about human nature, expression of emotion and love. I'm not trying to be smart here but you guys are seriously fucked if you can't see that. It's not all black and white, there ARE shades of gray... heh... shades... shady... lol... anyway yeah you suck.

you know exactly what they mean by "nature". dont try to twist it around to make it match your idea. you know that type of thing is bs.

also i like how you take one small aspect (e.g. rebellion) and use that to some how match up with your example.

use your knowledge of the history of romanticists and then decide whats appropriate. if you want really want to look at definitions, how about this one?

romanticism: 1 often capitalized a (1) : a literary, artistic, and philosophical movement originating in the 18th century, characterized chiefly by a reaction against neoclassicism and an emphasis on the imagination and emotions, and marked especially in English literature by sensibility and the use of autobiographical material, an exaltation of the primitive and the common man, an appreciation of external nature, an interest in the remote, a predilection for melancholy, and the use in poetry of older verse forms (2) : an aspect of romanticism b : adherence to a romantic attitude or style
2 : the quality or state of being romantic

From: Merriam-Wbester

appreciation of EXTERENAL nature, an interest in the remote (i dont remember eminem talking about the forest and trees...) and a predilection for MELANCHOLY.

that's not eminem.

You guys just aren't open minded.

Actually, us "guys" are just properly educated.

Sure so from a neutral standpoint why don't you go pick an eminem song that YOU really think would best suit the term you're looking for and explain to me why it doesn't work? What is it about his "poem" that makes it not work in that context? Cause so far your probably, err I mean properly educated mouth hasn't convinced me otherwise.

I have a piece of paper that dictates I don't have to convince you of anything.
Not to mention that I don't have the time during my work day to undertake your foolish little research project.

lol you're so fucking stupid.

*slaps Kracus around with diploma*

Kracus wrote:lol you're so fucking stupid.

I know, right? He's so fucking dumb he has an actual college education and a real job, whereas you answer phones and lie on the internet.

Nightshade wrote:

Kracus wrote:lol you're so fucking stupid.

I know, right? He's so fucking dumb he has an actual college education and a real job, whereas you answer phones and lie on the internet.

Ooof, he got you there! Right down the middle.

ROFL!!!! This is fucking hilarious.

Hilariously sad.

i've decided kracus is right. nevermind that the burden of proof rests on him.

toxicbug, you should do your paper on eminem.

Beauty And The Beast

Remember the first dance we shared?
Recall the night you melted my uglyness away?
The night you left with a kiss so kind
Only a scent of beauty left behind

Ah, dear friend I remember the night
The moon and the dreams we shared
Your trembling paw in my hand
Dreaming of that northern land
Touching me with a kiss of a beast

I know my dreams are made of you
Of you and only for you
Your ocean pulls me under
Your voice tears me asunder
Love me before the last petal falls

As a world without a glance
Of the ocean's fair expanse
Such the world would be
If no love did flow in thee
But as my heart is occupied
Your love to me now has to die
Forgive me, I need more than you can offer me

Didn't you read the tale
Where happily ever after was to kiss a frog?
Don't you know this tale
In which all I ever wanted
I'll never have
For who could ever learn to love a beast?

However cold the wind and rain
I'll be there to ease up your pain
However cruel the mirrors of sin
Remember, beauty is found within

...Forever shall the wolf in me desire the sheep in you...

Singer Celine Dion


And this is the tale

One cold winter's night, an ugly old woman stumbles up to a prince's castle. She begs the prince for shelter from the cold, though she has only a single rose to give him as payment. The prince refuses her, simply because she is ugly. The woman reveals herself to be a powerful enchantress and, as punishment to the cruel and selfish prince, she transforms him into a beast. The servants in the castle are also transformed; they become tea cups, candles, items of furniture, and other household items. This spell can only be broken if the beast learns to love another and receives her love in return. But there is a catch! This must happen before his 21st birthday, or he will be doomed to remain a beast forever.

The "beauty" of the title, a girl called Belle, lives with her father Maurice in a small French village. Maurice is known for his Rube Goldberg-type inventions; the townspeople note Belle's beauty, but consider her odd because of her passion for books. Her beauty has attracted the attentions of local hunter and bodybuilder Gaston, but Belle considers him 'rude and conceited', and ignores him.

One day, Maurice decides to take his latest invention to a fair outside the village. On the way, he gets lost in the woods. Wolves chase him, and his horse Phillipe bucks him off in fright and fear. Maurice runs blindly through the woods and eventually comes to the beast's castle. The servants of the castle, still in the form of various household objects, look after him. That is, until the beast arrives. The beast has Maurice locked up as a prisoner.

Belle, back in the village, politely but firmly resists Gaston's offer of marriage. Gaston explains to Belle that she is going to be his "little wife", have 6 or 7 handsome males ("strapping boys" , to quote the character) like himself, and makes a number of other chauvinistic comments. She is astonished later to find her father's horse without its master. She traces her way to the castle with her father's horse. Once there, she offers to take the place of her father as the Beast's prisoner; and the Beast agrees and sends Maurice back. Maurice tries to tell people back in the town what has happened to Belle, but the villagers, including Gaston, think him insane and rebuff him, so he decides to set off to get her back on his own.

Back at the castle, the various dishes and accessories, including Lumiere the candlestick and Cogsworth the mini-clock, entertain their guest with a fancy French dinner and all the comforts a team of servants can provide (after the Beast orders them not to when he tried forcing Belle to come down to dinner with him). They are, of course, eager for Belle and the Beast to fall in love, so they can be turned human again. Unfortunately for them, Belle and the Beast don't get along very well (due to the chauvinism he is expliciting on her) and are constantly at each other's throats.

However, Belle and the Beast eventually fall in love and over the following days the Beast becomes more human. When he gives her a magic mirror that will show her anything she wishes to see, she requests to see her father and sees him sick and dying. The Beast releases her to go rescue him, and she takes him back to their house in the village. However, Gaston arrives with a lynch mob to take Maurice to the asylum unless Belle agrees to marry him. Eager to prove her father sane, she ends up showing them an image of the Beast with the magic mirror.

Enraged and feeling betrayed, Gaston convinces the mob that the Beast is a threat and menace to the community and leads the mob to the castle to pillage it, rallying with the cry, "kill the Beast." Most of the mob is fought and driven off by the enchanted artifacts of the castle, but Gaston reaches the Beast and begans to fight with him, though the Beast, disheartened, dosen't fight back until Belle shows up. However as the Beast is about to finish off Gaston, he realises he can no longer find it in himself to kill anyone. As the Beast and Belle are reunited, Gaston stabs the Beast in the back with a dagger, however Gaston loses his footing on the roof and tumbles to his death. After Gaston is killed, Belle tells the Beast she loves him, and the spell is broken. The Beast turns into a handsome prince again and the enchanted artifacts of the castle are turned back into people.
RE: http://www.answers.com/topic/beauty-and ... movie-1991
A Walt Disney Movie
Good luck with your home work.

I'm so glad I didn't read that.

Yeah that would go over well.

Kracus wrote:lol you're so fucking stupid.

that's funny. i have degrees in german literature and i agree 100% with jackal - namely, you're a moron. pretending to be anti-establishment doesn't make something a work of Romanticism, it makes it appeal to teenagers who don't get the joke. you appear know as much about aesthetics and art or music history as the average fourth grader and/or brittney spears.

is this where you start the "i own this thread because my stupidity has been exposed but i'm intentionally pretending it hasn't" gimmick? or will it be the "i own this thread because you're wasting your time pointing out how stupid i am when it's already self-evident" approach? maybe one then the other? only time will tell...

i think thayre both average at best.

sorted

menkent wrote:

Kracus wrote:lol you're so fucking stupid.

that's funny. i have degrees in german literature and i agree 100% with jackal - namely, you're a moron. pretending to be anti-establishment doesn't make something a work of Romanticism, it makes it appeal to teenagers who don't get the joke. you appear know as much about aesthetics and art or music history as the average fourth grader and/or brittney spears.

is this where you start the "i own this thread because my stupidity has been exposed but i'm intentionally pretending it hasn't" gimmick? or will it be the "i own this thread because you're wasting your time pointing out how stupid i am when it's already self-evident" approach? maybe one then the other? only time will tell...

See Menkent, clearly you're stupid, because this isn't GERMAN lit we're discussing. PWNED.

clearly my mistake. i'll just put my Schiller and Novalis back on the shelf where they belong.