This fucking scares me...

[Grudge]

A society where everyone carries a weapon is not safer than one where only the police and a few criminals carry weapons.

[Nightshade]

Well, that would be great, but it's just not the way things are over here. I can't assume that someone ISN'T going to have a gun, because so many criminals over here do.

[Grudge]

You are basically fucked, no matter what.

[seremtan]

actually there's nothing against self-defence here, and in some countries shooting at burglars is acceptable under some circumstances. it's just lots of euros are pussies when it comes to guns because they think a policeman's going to just pop up out of the ground to save them

the police here in the UK, even the armed ones, are terrified of guns. for example -

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/oxfo ... 719206.stm

The report found that the control room inspector on duty at the time did not initially send officers to the scene as it was "not safe".

[losCHUNK]

Well, that would be great, but it's just not the way things are over here. I can't assume that someone ISN'T going to have a gun, because so many criminals over here do.

i can understand that but the whole mentality seems backwards to us

"if we give up our guns then criminals aint gunna give up there guns"

alright, fair enough like, but thinking like that isnt going to get you nowhere

i always thought that america should be bucking up its gun laws (instead of an outright ban, as it obviously wouldnt work... yet) , but being able to use a gun as self defence in the street sounds like its going to turn into human hunting season

"he swung for me with a baseball bat man, so i got a load of mates to shoot back and we managed to kill 10 of them"

"ok, fair enough it was self defence"

not to mention that the twat could be standing in the middle of town and he just so happens to be a bad shot

[Grudge]

actually there's nothing against self-defence here, and in some countries shooting at burglars is acceptable under some circumstances. it's just lots of euros are pussies when it comes to guns because they think a policeman's going to just pop up out of the ground to save them

So, basically I should buy myself a gun so that I can be a real man?

[Foo]

actually there's nothing against self-defence here, and in some countries shooting at burglars is acceptable under some circumstances. it's just lots of euros are pussies when it comes to guns because they think a policeman's going to just pop up out of the ground to save them

So what do you think should happen?

[Nightshade]

Well, that would be great, but it's just not the way things are over here. I can't assume that someone ISN'T going to have a gun, because so many criminals over here do.

i can understand that but the whole mentality seems backwards to us

"if we give up our guns then criminals aint gunna give up there guns"

alright, fair enough like, but thinking like that isnt going to get you nowhere

i always thought that america should be bucking up its gun laws (instead of an outright ban, as it obviously wouldnt work... yet) , but being able to use a gun as self defence in the street sounds like its going to turn into human hunting season

"he swung for me with a baseball bat man, so i got a load of mates to shoot back and we managed to kill 10 of them"

"ok, fair enough it was self defence"

not to mention that the twat could be standing in the middle of town and he just so happens to be a bad shot

We have approximately 20,000 gun laws on the books right now, do you really think we need more? The fact that criminals don't get their guns legally and couldn't give a fuck about gun laws is the key issue that lawmakers in this country just don't get. And give the general population some credit, many states have concealed carry laws, and it hasn't turned into the OK Corral.
I think that education is a key factor in reducing gun crime. If people are trained to use them responsibly, instead of shunning the ala Rosie O' Donnell, then they won't be so taboo.

[Nightshade]

You are basically fucked, no matter what.

Kindly recuse yourself from this conversation if you're going to act retarded.

[plained]

i remember when comedy and trollin/flameing were the status quo here

[losCHUNK]

Well, that would be great, but it's just not the way things are over here. I can't assume that someone ISN'T going to have a gun, because so many criminals over here do.

i can understand that but the whole mentality seems backwards to us

"if we give up our guns then criminals aint gunna give up there guns"

alright, fair enough like, but thinking like that isnt going to get you nowhere

i always thought that america should be bucking up its gun laws (instead of an outright ban, as it obviously wouldnt work... yet) , but being able to use a gun as self defence in the street sounds like its going to turn into human hunting season

"he swung for me with a baseball bat man, so i got a load of mates to shoot back and we managed to kill 10 of them"

"ok, fair enough it was self defence"

not to mention that the twat could be standing in the middle of town and he just so happens to be a bad shot

We have approximately 20,000 gun laws on the books right now, do you really think we need more? The fact that criminals don't get their guns legally and couldn't give a fuck about gun laws is the key issue that lawmakers in this country just don't get. And give the general population some credit, many states have concealed carry laws, and it hasn't turned into the OK Corral.
I think that education is a key factor in reducing gun crime. If people are trained to use them responsibly, instead of shunning the ala Rosie O' Donnell, then they won't be so taboo.

heh, i aint going to get dragged into this again because last time we went through like 2 pages and achieved nothing ?

just saying that the concealed gun laws is a good idea, but in this particular thread, being able to defend yourself with the use of a deadly weapon in the street, i think thats a step back

at the end of the day, tis your country, just giving some outside views and ways in which other countries deal with the problem

[losCHUNK]

**imagines a chav with a gun**

*shudder*

[Grudge]

You are basically fucked, no matter what.

Kindly recuse yourself from this conversation if you're going to act retarded.

But isn't that what you are saying? All the criminals already have guns, so everyone else also need to get them to defend themselves?

[Nightshade]

Not all criminals, no. But a lot of them do. Granted, most people don't need guns, but for those that do work in/travel through high-crime areas is it so ridiculous to arm yourself? I've been robbed at gunpoint before, and if I'd had the chance, I would have blasted the guy. I didn't have a gun, and he "had the drop on me", so in this case I had to pray that he didn't shoot me. That's a fucking shitty feeling, my friend.

[Nightshade]

i can understand that but the whole mentality seems backwards to us

"if we give up our guns then criminals aint gunna give up there guns"

alright, fair enough like, but thinking like that isnt going to get you nowhere

i always thought that america should be bucking up its gun laws (instead of an outright ban, as it obviously wouldnt work... yet) , but being able to use a gun as self defence in the street sounds like its going to turn into human hunting season

"he swung for me with a baseball bat man, so i got a load of mates to shoot back and we managed to kill 10 of them"

"ok, fair enough it was self defence"

not to mention that the twat could be standing in the middle of town and he just so happens to be a bad shot

We have approximately 20,000 gun laws on the books right now, do you really think we need more? The fact that criminals don't get their guns legally and couldn't give a fuck about gun laws is the key issue that lawmakers in this country just don't get. And give the general population some credit, many states have concealed carry laws, and it hasn't turned into the OK Corral.
I think that education is a key factor in reducing gun crime. If people are trained to use them responsibly, instead of shunning the ala Rosie O' Donnell, then they won't be so taboo.

heh, i aint going to get dragged into this again because last time we went through like 2 pages and achieved nothing ?

just saying that the concealed gun laws is a good idea, but in this particular thread, being able to defend yourself with the use of a deadly weapon in the street, i think thats a step back

at the end of the day, tis your country, just giving some outside views and ways in which other countries deal with the problem

And I respect your opinions, but the fact is that there are a lot of violent, gun-wielding fuckwads in this country that don't give a fuck about gun laws. The existing laws make a legitimate gun owner a criminal if he defends himself in most cases. In most states, if you're threatened by someone, you have to exhaust ALL POSSIBLE means before using deadly force, including yelling for help, screaming rape, fire, etc., and running.
If someone threatens me, and I have the ability to defend myself with a legal firearm, why should I have to turn tail and run? Not saying I'd want to instantly blast the guy, but I shouldn't be villified if I choose to protect my life from some scumbag.

[seremtan]

actually there's nothing against self-defence here, and in some countries shooting at burglars is acceptable under some circumstances. it's just lots of euros are pussies when it comes to guns because they think a policeman's going to just pop up out of the ground to save them

So what do you think should happen?

i don't see a problem with law-abiding people without a violent criminal record owning guns, even for self-defence. gun violence levels are culturally-related, not firearms-per-household related. britain had a fraction of the shootings of the US even in the 19thc when the two countries had identical firearms laws (i.e. none at all).

edit: without. withOUT

[R00k]

To the people who think legal gun ownership and concealed carry permits help increase violence:

Can you provide any statistics on anyone perpetrating a crime with a legal gun and a carry permit?

The fact of the matter is that people legally owning and carrying guns doesn't cause our gun violence problems - except when they are irresponsible with them and let them fall into untrained people's hands.

Non-Americans tend to see increased gun control as a way to curb violence for some reason, but those of us who live here and have heard about people getting shot near our own neighborhoods - over drug deals, debts, or even disagreements - see gun control as taking away the one chance we might have at getting out of a bad situation, if that ever comes up.

I knew a kid in school who killed himself with his father's pistol because it wasn't locked up and he got it while noone was home.

I was also at a Taco Bell in Clarksville about 15 minutes before a guy came in and shot the place up to rob it - I didn't find that out until later, of course.

You can say that the scenarios requiring you to have a gun to defend yourself are so rare as to border on impossible odds, but a lot of us know from experience that that isn't really the case.

[Fjoggs]

I'd fucking move out of the country if a law like this hit my city.

edit: then again, it'll never happen.

[Freakaloin]

I'd fucking move out of the country if a law like this hit my city.

edit: then again, it'll never happen.

lol...what a pussy...

[Psyche911]

its only because yanks are to lazy to run after em

Seriously though, this is insane. I certainly wont be going to Florida any time soon. And if I have to, I'll be packin'!

[Massive Quasars]

I'd fucking move out of the country if a law like this hit my city.

edit: then again, it'll never happen.

If the stereotype fits....

Non-ideological people can disagree on this, or hold no position at all. I'm not convinced this law is necessarily doomed to failure.

[Grudge]

Not all criminals, no. But a lot of them do. Granted, most people don't need guns, but for those that do work in/travel through high-crime areas is it so ridiculous to arm yourself? I've been robbed at gunpoint before, and if I'd had the chance, I would have blasted the guy. I didn't have a gun, and he "had the drop on me", so in this case I had to pray that he didn't shoot me. That's a fucking shitty feeling, my friend.

So the solution is for everyone to arm themselves? I'd say that's a pretty fucked up society. I for sure wouldn't want my children to grow up somewhere like that.

"Here's your lunch money, and I put a few extra magazines in the bag for your 9mm. Remember to aim for the torso if they try to take your lunch money again, dear. Better run now, pumpkin, I can hear the school bus coming."

[plained]

guns are fine, as long as they shoot jizz instead of bullets

[Nightshade]

Not all criminals, no. But a lot of them do. Granted, most people don't need guns, but for those that do work in/travel through high-crime areas is it so ridiculous to arm yourself? I've been robbed at gunpoint before, and if I'd had the chance, I would have blasted the guy. I didn't have a gun, and he "had the drop on me", so in this case I had to pray that he didn't shoot me. That's a fucking shitty feeling, my friend.

So the solution is for everyone to arm themselves? I'd say that's a pretty fucked up society. I for sure wouldn't want my children to grow up somewhere like that.

"Here's your lunch money, and I put a few extra magazines in the bag for your 9mm. Remember to aim for the torso if they try to take your lunch money again, dear. Better run now, pumpkin, I can hear the school bus coming."

Yes. That's exactly what I said, you mong. I think the cold over there has frozen your brain.

[reefsurfer]

Just by reading nightshades argument makes me scared shitless.. talk about brainwashed.