PS3 may cost $900.

[MKJ]

so you hated the ps2 after sony refused to replace your snapped discdrive for the third time, yet you got a psp. again you hate the psp with a passion (also because you dropped it and now its broke.. you seriously need to do something about your coordination), yet you buy it on or soon after launch

seems like sony ownz you, you keep giving them your money
wonder who the chav is around here

[Don Carlos]

Until then, I would much rather have a port of FFVII for my PSP, just a straight port. At least it would give me a point to playing my PSP again.

Power Stone and Tekken

The title more-or-less says it all. Over the last couple of days, Capcom has announced Power Stone Collection, a PSP port of the cult Dreamcast beat-'em-up series, while Namco let slip details of Tekken: Dark Resurrection, a portable take on the Tekken 5 coin-op featuring 30 characters, 19 environments, a wireless two-player combat mode and a bunch of mini-games designed to exploit the pick-up-and-play-for-five-minutes nature of handheld systems.

But lets get back to Power Stone, Capcom's mad 3D melee game where up to four characters leap around a series of pirate-themed stages smashing each others heads in with tables, chairs and anything else that comes to hand. Apparently, the PSP rendition features both Power Stone and its sequel, adding a few unlockable extras, slightly more serviceable camera angles and four-player Wi-Fi action. Hopefully, the raw fighting engine will remain untouched - I loved the fact there were no blocking moves, just attack, attack, attack, the only breaks coming when enormous special weapons appeared on screen, prompting all the fighters to run over and try to grab them. Absolute chaos most of the time, but fantastic fun!

Both are gonna be out in the summer

[MKJ]

cue framerate post

[o'dium]

so you hated the ps2 after sony refused to replace your snapped discdrive for the third time, yet you got a psp. again you hate the psp with a passion (also because you dropped it and now its broke.. you seriously need to do something about your coordination), yet you buy it on or soon after launch

seems like sony ownz you, you keep giving them your money
wonder who the chav is around here

I broke my disk drive once, by stepping on it when it was open, and i fixed it easily.

I haven't broke my PSP. But it does have 7 dead pixels.

I bought the PSP at launch for Ridge Racer because I was hooked.

I bought the PS2 when GTA 3 was released and had horrible loading problems and was forced to get a new one.

Remember, I work in a shitty game store, and get a good discount.

I also get to see the returns and faults of the consoles. Gamecube gets hardly none ever, maybe 1 or 2 a year. xbox gets one every few months, and PS2's get returned pretty much daily. The PSP is not only the most faulty handheld (compared to the DS, which we hardly ever get returns of) but also the most traded in, with reasons like "it was to expensive and not enough games that are good" for it.

I dont hate Sony for not doing anything for me. I hate Sony because TBH, after they get your money, they dont give a toss. I've caleld them many a time for many a customer to see if i can work something out. But every time I get some snotty arsed Sony man/woman on the other end saying "its not our policy..." blah blah blah, so we have to swap them good-will style instore. I also hate Sony because of the way they try to control the public. Fair enough for the average moron it DOES work, so you know, fair play to them for trying. But its just the way they allow ANYTHING onto the system, like "barbie goes to school 8" which is just a pc port of a 9 year old game that doesn't play well at all and launched at £4.99, so they then say "we have more games than any other console". Fair enough, but so many of those are tripe. They still keep the price at £5 MORE than the xbox, and STILL charge £20 for 8 "MEG" memory cards. They could easily charge £10, maybe even £5 for them. The console itself is so old and crap inside its like a kid made it, you should see it. But they charge you mroe than an xbox for it...? Eh...? Shouldn't it be like £70 now? You know, the price of the gamecube, but is also more powerful and has more tech stuff going on?

I just dont like the lies and bullshit. I can maybe deal with the overpricing, they know they have the market by the balls and they kow they will get their sales. Its juts the fact they say so much bollocks to the world. Like "the ps3 is out soon". i.e. "dont buy the 360 now, the PS3 is out soon" even thoughg UKer's wont be seeing it until December. Or like "the PS3 is the real next gen machine, its even more next gen than the 360", even though the console can do 1/2 more shader passes... And... Thats it...? the PS3 games all look better. Wow. They do. Because they have had longer to work on them. The 360 games that will be out at PS3 launch will look stunning, maybe even better than the PS3 launch games, due to how long they have had to work on them.

I just cant stand the whole "twist the truth" bollocks. THATS why i hate sony.

[o'dium]

cue framerate post

Have you seen it? All the PSP games suffer fro mserious frame rate issues because once again the public thinks its a "PS2 in your pocket" when its just a PSOne with filtering. So, instead of making "ok" looking games with great frame rates, they make "great" looking games with "shite" frame rates. I would much rather play an ugly game smoothly, rather than a good looking game slowly. Your a retard if you disagree.

Tekken looks good. But that worries me. It worries me because Tekken NEEDS to be smooth as silk. Otherwise its never gonna work or feel right. Once again, i'd rather be playing Tekken 3 with filtering, smooth, than Tekken Tag at a shoddy up/down frame rate.

[Jackal]

odium is the king of not knowing what he's talking about. I respect him for that.
I love how he thinks he knows the production and development process and where Sony stands with regards to their new system.

[o'dium]

Theres a fantastic ability thats been around for many years. Its the ability to read, to comprehend. Not only do i get to talk to the Sony rep, i also talk to the xbox rep, and many other games company people such as ubi-soft, activision etc.

I also keep up on the latest buzz direct from the show floor. You know, like the GDC where it showed the PS3 last, without even a fully working pad because its currently in re-design.

You dont have to be Carmack to put 2 and 2 together, and you really dont have to be Carmack to form your own oppinion.

Sony have themselves said that the PS3 is gonna make the LAST day of Spring. The LAST. Which pretty much slams it straight into summer if anything. And thats for Japan. The Ps3 will not be a world wide launch, so do you REALLY think Uk people will be playing their ovPS3 before Christmas 2006? I dont think so.

But of course, i cant come to my own conclusions, and i cant form my own oppinions. So yours are obviously right. When do YOU think it will launch?

[Jackal]

LOL you get your info from sales reps. Wowzers. These are the guys programmed to pump up the product no matter what the press says.
I'm not going to start guessing when they'll release the PS3. If they say Spring then I'll go with that. If they delay it then fine. It will be released when it's ready. You've constructed some sort of personification of Sony based on what you see in your retail experience. What you need to realize is that you're at the bottom of a very long chain and therefore know nothing.

[Ryoki]

Told (again).

[o'dium]

I think the point you once again miss is that I'm my own person and can form my own oppinion. I think your a twat faced cunt bag who never has a nice thing to say about anything or anybody, and TBH i dont think i have ever read anything from you worth reading. But thats what I think. Yo uprobably, most certainly think the same about me. Thats what you think.

Its called forming oppinions, its called freedom of Speach.

I can say whatever the fuck i like, i can think whatever the fuck i like. I can sit here and type "I hate sony becaues the PS2 was square and not round" and base my entire oppinion on that, and you know what, you cant do anything about that. Because its my god given right.

So i suggest you take your power hungry attitude and stick it up your arse. This IS a discussion forum after all, and if we cant discuss multiple "oppinions" no matter how right or wrong they are, it would be a pretty boring discussion.

[o'dium]

Told (again).

Of course, told. This man sits on a forum, reads something somebody else said and disagrees. That makes him "ownz0rz" me.

Jesus child, grow up. Its a fucking "gaming forum".

What next? Am i gonna get owned because i typed ps2 and not PS2? l33tness.

[Don Carlos]

Odium, the reason you have more PS2's back than xbox or Gamecube's is because PS2's have outsold the other 2 at least 4 or 5 to 1.

More units = more returns

[Jackal]

I think the point you once again miss is that I'm my own person and can form my own oppinion. I think your a twat faced cunt bag who never has a nice thing to say about anything or anybody, and TBH i dont think i have ever read anything from you worth reading. But thats what I think. Yo uprobably, most certainly think the same about me. Thats what you think.

Its called forming oppinions, its called freedom of Speach.

I can say whatever the fuck i like, i can think whatever the fuck i like. I can sit here and type "I hate sony becaues the PS2 was square and not round" and base my entire oppinion on that, and you know what, you cant do anything about that. Because its my god given right.

So i suggest you take your power hungry attitude and stick it up your arse. This IS a discussion forum after all, and if we cant discuss multiple "oppinions" no matter how right or wrong they are, it would be a pretty boring discussion.

Dude you can have as many oppinions as you like. What you need to understand is that they don't matter. Beyond that when you start talking about the "industry" and "game market" what you're saying has absolutely no validity.
So stop crying.

[o'dium]

Odium, the reason you have more PS2's back than xbox or Gamecube's is because PS2's have outsold the other 2 at least 4 or 5 to 1.

More units = more returns

You would think that to be the case, but its not. Do you know the Ds outsells the PSP 8 to 1? The PS2 outsells the xbox 4-1, but still, wouldn't that suggest really that you take the number of returns of the PS2, devide by 4, and then thats your xbox faulty return?

So, lets say the average PS2 faulty return, which is 2/3 a day. We will keep it at 2 for simplicity. With 28 days as the month.

2 x 28 = Monthly PS2 returns = 56
4 x 1 = Monthly xbopx returns = 4 (I gave xbox a higher number than normal tbh just to make it a bit more fair)

So in your average month we get around 56 PS2's faulty, and 4 xboxs faulty. right. 56/4 = 14, so shouldn't we be selling 14 to1 PS2's comapred to xbox? No matter what way you look at it, its a very high rate of returns.

Anyways. Ill leave with one last thing. Sony themselves have shifted the release date to "the last day of spring" and thats 20th of June. Right. So you release the PS3 on the 20th of June in Japan first. You then take the average launch data from past launches and say that the US gets the PS3 about 3 months later. So that puts the release at the end of September. Again, another 3 for the UK release, and that puts it at the end of Decemeber.

And thats with ZERO more delays to the data Sony have OFFICALY confirmed.

So, thats my basis for saying the PS3 will launch in December for the UK at its EARLIEST.

[o'dium]

I think the point you once again miss is that I'm my own person and can form my own oppinion. I think your a twat faced cunt bag who never has a nice thing to say about anything or anybody, and TBH i dont think i have ever read anything from you worth reading. But thats what I think. Yo uprobably, most certainly think the same about me. Thats what you think.

Its called forming oppinions, its called freedom of Speach.

I can say whatever the fuck i like, i can think whatever the fuck i like. I can sit here and type "I hate sony becaues the PS2 was square and not round" and base my entire oppinion on that, and you know what, you cant do anything about that. Because its my god given right.

So i suggest you take your power hungry attitude and stick it up your arse. This IS a discussion forum after all, and if we cant discuss multiple "oppinions" no matter how right or wrong they are, it would be a pretty boring discussion.

Dude you can have as many oppinions as you like. What you need to understand is that they don't matter. Beyond that when you start talking about the "industry" and "game market" what you're saying has absolutely no validity.
So stop crying.

I know they dont matter. but as long as there is an open discussion where oppinions are a huge part of it, ill add them. I couldn't care less if you dont agree, or they dont matter. Nobody FORCES you to read them.

So, in your stupid sense of "owning", wouldn't that call you "owned", because you read something of mine you didn't want to?

[Don Carlos]

Anyways. Ill leave with one last thing. Sony themselves have shifted the release date to "the last day of spring" and thats 20th of June. Right. So you release the PS3 on the 20th of June in Japan first. You then take the average launch data from past launches and say that the US gets the PS3 about 3 months later. So that puts the release at the end of September. Again, another 3 for the UK release, and that puts it at the end of Decemeber.

And thats with ZERO more delays to the data Sony have OFFICALY confirmed.

So, thats my basis for saying the PS3 will launch in December for the UK at its EARLIEST.

I agree with that unless they pull summat out there arse

[MKJ]

must be tough not being able to enjoy a product because of what some dude said at some conference :s

[o'dium]

must be tough not being able to enjoy a product because of what some dude said at some conference :s

I only enjoy a product when it has something worth enjoying on it.

I enjoyed the PSP with Ridge Racer until I got to the last series and it became so hard i left it. After that, i tried many games, like MediEvil, which was good but slow as fuck. Since then, I haven't touched it. Not because of something somebody said, but because there have been no good games for it that have been worth the price of a full xbox game. Grand Theft Auto ok, that was good, but once again, it just got boring very very quickly. The same stuff over and over, and then i did what i always do in GTa games... Stopped playing the missions and just drove around making my own fun. that got old fast, esp. because the game made the battery last for around an hour and a half. thats not portable. Since then, the game list has been pretty poor. Prince Of Persia is ok, but its damn slow and i already have it on xbox so whats the point?

The playsation gave me a good few years of fun. but then it just got stale, it just got pointless. I was talking to donny about Shadow of the colosis and its really the ONLY game in a long time thats made me want a PS2. Other than that, its just been nothing for ME.

xbox has been the same just recently. Nothing of any interest TBH. FarCry was the last game i think that grabbed me.

So no. I dont base my honest oppinions of what people say. I get people slagging off Nintendo every single day, but hell its my fave console, from my fave company. And arn't nintendo supposed to be a kids console maker thats dead? Why do i love them then?

[Jackal]

Here's an actual industry newsletter to show how odium is flat wrong about most everything he says:


"Other hardware news continued to be of interest, with the DS versus PSP handheld battle continuing - according to online reports, the PSP sold around 180,000 units for January, compared to the DS' 160,000 units, a much closer battle than many were predicting at this time last year. However, Sony's PlayStation 2 was the biggest-selling hardware for the month, at close to 275,000 units."

[Jackal]

I think the point you once again miss is that I'm my own person and can form my own oppinion. I think your a twat faced cunt bag who never has a nice thing to say about anything or anybody, and TBH i dont think i have ever read anything from you worth reading. But thats what I think. Yo uprobably, most certainly think the same about me. Thats what you think.

Its called forming oppinions, its called freedom of Speach.

I can say whatever the fuck i like, i can think whatever the fuck i like. I can sit here and type "I hate sony becaues the PS2 was square and not round" and base my entire oppinion on that, and you know what, you cant do anything about that. Because its my god given right.

So i suggest you take your power hungry attitude and stick it up your arse. This IS a discussion forum after all, and if we cant discuss multiple "oppinions" no matter how right or wrong they are, it would be a pretty boring discussion.

Dude you can have as many oppinions as you like. What you need to understand is that they don't matter. Beyond that when you start talking about the "industry" and "game market" what you're saying has absolutely no validity.
So stop crying.

I know they dont matter. but as long as there is an open discussion where oppinions are a huge part of it, ill add them. I couldn't care less if you dont agree, or they dont matter. Nobody FORCES you to read them.

So, in your stupid sense of "owning", wouldn't that call you "owned", because you read something of mine you didn't want to?

I'm pretty sure I didn't say anything about owning you. I simply said your opinions are inane and worthless.

[o'dium]

Figures are figures. It just depends who you get them from. I'm talking from our company as a whole. But also nintendo show different figures compared to sony, compared to microsoft.

Tell me, where did you get those figures from, and are they the FIRST set of figures you saw

[MKJ]

must be tough not being able to enjoy a product because of what some dude said at some conference :s

I only enjoy a product when it has something worth enjoying on it.

I enjoyed the PSP with Ridge Racer until I got to the last series and it became so hard i left it. After that, i tried many games, like MediEvil, which was good but slow as fuck. Since then, I haven't touched it. Not because of something somebody said, but because there have been no good games for it that have been worth the price of a full xbox game. Grand Theft Auto ok, that was good, but once again, it just got boring very very quickly. The same stuff over and over, and then i did what i always do in GTa games... Stopped playing the missions and just drove around making my own fun. that got old fast, esp. because the game made the battery last for around an hour and a half. thats not portable. Since then, the game list has been pretty poor. Prince Of Persia is ok, but its damn slow and i already have it on xbox so whats the point?

The playsation gave me a good few years of fun. but then it just got stale, it just got pointless. I was talking to donny about Shadow of the colosis and its really the ONLY game in a long time thats made me want a PS2. Other than that, its just been nothing for ME.

xbox has been the same just recently. Nothing of any interest TBH. FarCry was the last game i think that grabbed me.

So no. I dont base my honest oppinions of what people say. I get people slagging off Nintendo every single day, but hell its my fave console, from my fave company. And arn't nintendo supposed to be a kids console maker thats dead? Why do i love them then?

i remember a time where MGS2 was the best game ever. nothing could compete with it, and ps2 was king. then you were forced to call tech support and got some snotty Sony dude. OMG sony sucks as does everything they make.
who cares if its made by sony or microsoft of hagendasz. just enjoy the product and scratch off the name if it bothers you so much

oh wait. the ps2 doesnt have enough polies. then when a game does have enough polies, the framerate is bad. gee thats why it didnt have that amount of polies. ofcourse this holds some truth nowadays since its old hardware, but you applied the same logic back then.
think less, enjoy more.

im waiting till you start slagging off the 360 because your drive got busted from playing all those movies all the time

[Jackal]

Figures are figures. It just depends who you get them from. I'm talking from our company as a whole. But also nintendo show different figures compared to sony, compared to microsoft.

Tell me, where did you get those figures from, and are they the FIRST set of figures you saw

They are from the GDA. They are the figures all industry analysts use and are compiled via company profiles and press releases in much the same way reuters and the associated press do things.