Quake3World

Posted: **Wed Jun 21, 2006 3:52 pm**

Jules just elaborated on my jibe about black culture in America.

Wake up folks, BET is worse for black Americans than Whitey.

Posted: **Wed Jun 21, 2006 4:06 pm**

mik0rs wrote:
Foo wrote:
Dave wrote:Maybe it's just a case of you either not liking black people
Dude, you didn't need to go there.
Mate, it's arrived! This post also has nothing to do with this thread!

*glides*

Posted: **Wed Jun 21, 2006 4:21 pm**

[xeno]Julios wrote:what really disturbs me about this whole gangsta ethos is the behavioural models it offers to people.

If you immerse yourself enough in this genre, and you have an adoration or respect for its heroes, it seems likely that you'll start to behave in a similar manner (especially for kids).

For example, if you get into an argument with someone, you may start using the same verbal and body language as you see your heroes using - call it a cognitive script which you adopt.

If that doesn't resolve the argument, you may resort to punches or worse.

just a hypothesis based on my own observations, reflections, and understanding of cognitive science.

Well you see,

Hip Hop is a cultural movement that began among African American communities in the Bronx, Queens, and Brooklyn boroughs of New York City in the early 1970s. Portions of the culture began spreading into the mainstream during the early 1980s, and by the 1990s, hip hop culture had spread all over the world. The movement is said to have begun with the work of DJ Kool Herc, while competing DJ Afrika Bambaataa is often credited with having invented the term "hip hop" to describe the culture.

The four main aspects, or "elements", of hip hop culture are MCing (rapping), DJing, graffiti, and b-boying (known to the mainstream as breakdancing). Most consider knowledge or droppin' science as the fifth element while some consider beatboxing. Others might add political activism, hip hop fashion, hip hop slang, double dutching (an urban form of rope skipping), or other elements as important facets of hip hop. In mainstream spheres, the term "hip hop" typically refers only to hip hop music (or rap music), the music produced by the MCing and DJing aspects of hip hop culture.

Originating from socially marginalized groups, the hip hop culture is spontaneously nonconformist in relation to the western system of values and esthetics.

This movement is completelly different from club-rap or radio entertainment you hear. In fact, hip hop was created as a way to keep kids off the street and lower local neighborhood crime. MCing competitions began to replace street fights, etc.

50 Cent and other radio/club rap is designed to just be silly and "fun". Something to go dance to and not pay much attention to. JUST LIKE ALL OTHER RADIO.

That the average rap fan listens to 50 Cent and Mike Jones as opposed to a superior Jurassic 5, Mos Def, Talib Kweli, De la Soul, MF Doom, Blackalicious, or GZA is a completelly different problem.

There are hundreds of hip hop artists that present a positive message with lyrical style and artistic integrity. Don't judge a whole realm of music purely on what you hear on the radio.

The actions of the few taint the image of the masses.

Posted: **Wed Jun 21, 2006 4:23 pm**

Man, that definition was SO written by a honkey.

Posted: **Wed Jun 21, 2006 4:24 pm**

Also, American blacks have a pathetic "culture" as a result of history. Not choice.

Recall that the USA is still quite a racist country, and that most blacks are here as a result of slave trade ~200 years ago.

The lack of a cultural identity makes the black masses struggle for uniqueness. This is also the same reason why blacks prefer Africanized names or Ebonics influenced spellings.

I agree that BET and shows like Girlfriends are bad for the black image in general, but then again, most TV is bad for all images.

Posted: **Wed Jun 21, 2006 4:26 pm**

Nightshade wrote:Man, that definition was SO written by a honkey.

Honkey or not, it is the accepted definition. Endorsed by Africa Bambada as well as modern day artists.

Posted: **Wed Jun 21, 2006 4:27 pm**

Grudge wrote:Shit, that sounded pretty elitist, but I guess I'm simply an elitist bastard.

Many of the classic soul singles were written by a couple of jews.

Posted: **Wed Jun 21, 2006 4:31 pm**

duffman91 wrote:Also, American blacks have a pathetic "culture" as a result of history. Not choice.

Recall that the USA is still quite a racist country, and that most blacks are here as a result of slave trade ~200 years ago.

The lack of a cultural identity makes the black masses struggle for uniqueness. This is also the same reason why blacks prefer Africanized names or Ebonics influenced spellings.

I agree that BET and shows like Girlfriends are bad for the black image in general, but then again, most TV is bad for all images.

I call bullshit. No one forces anyone to adopt any given mannerism or attitude. Don't play into this garbage liberal copout. Yes, there's still plenty of racism in the US, and lots of it is directed towards white people. Everyone's accountable for their own actions, so if you worship Fitty Cent and bust caps in people while wearing you bling bling and your pants below your ass, it's your own damn choice.

Posted: **Wed Jun 21, 2006 4:34 pm**

duffman91 wrote:There are hundreds of hip hop artists that present a positive message with lyrical style and artistic integrity. Don't judge a whole realm of music purely on what you hear on the radio.

i'm not judging an entire realm of music - i specifically mentioned the "gangsta ethos"

I'm aware that there is tonnes of great hiphop out there.

Posted: **Wed Jun 21, 2006 4:40 pm**

Nightshade wrote:
duffman91 wrote:Also, American blacks have a pathetic "culture" as a result of history. Not choice.

Recall that the USA is still quite a racist country, and that most blacks are here as a result of slave trade ~200 years ago.

The lack of a cultural identity makes the black masses struggle for uniqueness. This is also the same reason why blacks prefer Africanized names or Ebonics influenced spellings.

I agree that BET and shows like Girlfriends are bad for the black image in general, but then again, most TV is bad for all images.
I call bullshit. No one forces anyone to adopt any given mannerism or attitude. Don't play into this garbage liberal copout. Yes, there's still plenty of racism in the US, and lots of it is directed towards white people. Everyone's accountable for their own actions, so if you worship Fitty Cent and bust caps in people while wearing you bling bling and your pants below your ass, it's your own damn choice.

You're right. Unfortunately, most people are dumb and will do whatever they see on T.V..

I'm sure you remember the news of a number of kids dying while trying Jackass style stunts.

Posted: **Wed Jun 21, 2006 4:46 pm**

Yes, I do. I'm well aware of the fact that stupidity is no respecter of color or nationality. I'm simply trying to ensure that we don't buy into the popular American "Oh it's not my fault, it's society's fault" crap.
After all, you don't see people making statements like "Southern Americans are racist because of their history" because that's utterly ludicrous. Yet, similar statements are applied to blacks all the time, which is terribly condescending and racist.

Posted: **Wed Jun 21, 2006 5:55 pm**

Yeah that's basically about 95% of modern rap. It also goes along with the whole "STOP SNITCHING" bullshit that alot of young blacks in the city seem to see as a bible

Posted: **Thu Jun 22, 2006 1:37 am**

tnf wrote:In the same vein as the question asked by jules, what the fuck is it about soccer and the fans that have them doing shit like killing players who fuck up and always rioting with the police, etc?

You sound pretty ignorant.

Posted: **Thu Jun 22, 2006 2:24 am**

Memphis wrote:
duffman91 wrote: 50 Cent and other radio/club rap is designed to just be silly and "fun". Something to go dance to and not pay much attention to. JUST LIKE ALL OTHER RADIO.
Bollocks. If I wanted'something to dance to, I wouldn't dance to shit
Or listen to shit
Besides, who the fuck buys CDs to dance to them?

Clubs in the united states don't play techno, they play mindless hip-hop.

Posted: **Thu Jun 22, 2006 3:19 am**

i just cant get into it these days, it all sounds kinda stale.
but give me some old school stuff from about 85-95 and I will grab my junk and act like a wigger in no time

Posted: **Thu Jun 22, 2006 5:39 am**

50 cent is like a zoo. You are brought into a world you would never see without your zoo pass. :icon10: :icon31: :icon22: :icon15:

Posted: **Thu Jun 22, 2006 12:00 pm**

Fjoggs wrote:
tnf wrote:In the same vein as the question asked by jules, what the fuck is it about soccer and the fans that have them doing shit like killing players who fuck up and always rioting with the police, etc?
You sound pretty ignorant.

Yeah, because the things he's describing never happen, do they?

Posted: **Thu Jun 22, 2006 12:17 pm**

ctrlnuke wrote:There's some truth behind it, in 2000 he was shot 9 times and refused to cooperate with law enforcement about the shooting

And that makes him cool. I got shot nine times had to poop in a bag for 6 months! RESPECT. BOOYAKASHA

Posted: **Thu Jun 22, 2006 12:30 pm**

bitWISE wrote:
Memphis wrote:
duffman91 wrote: 50 Cent and other radio/club rap is designed to just be silly and "fun". Something to go dance to and not pay much attention to. JUST LIKE ALL OTHER RADIO.
Bollocks. If I wanted'something to dance to, I wouldn't dance to shit
Or listen to shit
Besides, who the fuck buys CDs to dance to them?
Clubs in the united states don't play techno, they play mindless hip-hop.

and i thought th US couldnt go any lower

Posted: **Thu Jun 22, 2006 12:35 pm**

I don't really have a problem with hip-hop, or most rap either, for that matter. It's all that fucking generic r'n'b crap that seems so popular that I can't stand. It's all the same, it sounds the same, the artists look the same, the videos are all the same, zzzzzzz....

Posted: **Thu Jun 22, 2006 1:59 pm**

Is this still about black people

Posted: **Thu Jun 22, 2006 4:53 pm**

Nightshade wrote:
Fjoggs wrote:
tnf wrote:In the same vein as the question asked by jules, what the fuck is it about soccer and the fans that have them doing shit like killing players who fuck up and always rioting with the police, etc?
You sound pretty ignorant.
Yeah, because the things he's describing never happen, do they?

:icon27:

Posted: **Thu Jun 22, 2006 5:24 pm**

Well, that's a rather insightful, fact-based refutation of mine and tnf's statements.

Fnerdds

Posted: **Thu Jun 22, 2006 5:26 pm**

Point is it doesn't happen nearly as often as you would like to believe.

And killing players because they suck? Not even Saddam did that. He only tortured them (his son, to be precise).

Posted: **Thu Jun 22, 2006 5:33 pm**

Nightshade wrote:Well, that's a rather insightful, fact-based refutation of mine and tnf's statements.

Fnerdds

Wow, you still don't get it.

Quake3World

Ok can someone shed some light here please. 50 cent related