Zimmerman is guilty of nothing?

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[Don Carlos]

Yeah so not guilty...

[Pauly]

It's the kids fault for being black.

[GONNAFISTYA]

lol

Americans love their killin.

[losCHUNK]

We need to send a peace convoy to the blacks with a sign saying "Remember OJ ?"

[Don Carlos]

Why is it being made into a race thing? Even the BBC is reporting it as "black teen death"

Rubbish

[EtUL]

Why is it being made into a race thing? Even the BBC is reporting it as "black teen death"

Rubbish

Originally the outrage was that Zimmerman was released without charges and no one was even investigating the possibility that it didn't happen the way Zimmerman said it did. They eventually charged him, but the media or dumb people turned it into a race issue and now that's all anyone could talk about. Fabricated bullshit. Who cares if Zimmerman is racist? I was more concerned with the (at the time) apparent legality of chasing someone down then killing them in 'self-defense' after they started kicking your ass. Turns out it is legal.

[Captain]

I was more concerned with the (at the time) apparent legality of chasing someone down then killing them in 'self-defense' after they started kicking your ass. Turns out it is legal.

Only in a primitive backwards-breeding shithole.

[losCHUNK]

Well yea this is what I'm thinking, how does a punch up become a justifiable excuse for killing someone ?

[U4EA]

how does a punch up become a justifiable excuse for killing someone ?

It's justifiable if you have a genuine fear for your life.

[losCHUNK]

Any fag could say that after some fisticuffs and any fag who's scared of his life wouldn't go looking for trouble.

From what I can tell the jury concluded Trayvon was reaching for Zimmermans gun. If they had evidence they would have been able to determine who actually started the fucking fight which actually implies that it was Zimmerman by his initial actions.

Trayvon, just like Zimmerman should be innocent until proven guilty which is why with the lack of witness testimony it should have been manslaughter atleast imo.

Without that anyone could claim that they were protecting their own life when they kill someone.

In a jury I'd either be very crap or stubborn :/

[GONNAFISTYA]

how does a punch up become a justifiable excuse for killing someone ?

It's justifiable if you have a genuine fear for your life.

Yeah but the average paranoid redneck that would carry a weapon for "protection" already has a genuine fear for his/her life. They're fearful as part of their personality. And because of their personality it's not surprising in the least they're the type of douchebag that would pull out a gun when getting their ass kicked. It's always the same with these idiots...if it's not a gun it's a baseball bat or tire iron under their car seat...they want an excuse. It's just a matter of what triggers the lizard brain to take over.

Thanks to this trial, it's widely known that shooting people is now easier to get away with, but as long as the "assailant" isn't around to tell their side of the story...so you might as well make sure and kill them outright.

[U4EA]

Yeah but the average paranoid redneck that would carry a weapon for "protection" already has a genuine fear for his/her life. They're fearful as part of their personality. And because of their personality it's not surprising in the least they're the type of douchebag that would pull out a gun when getting their ass kicked.

I wouldn't consider that a genuine fear for one's life. In the Zimmerman case, I don't know. I haven't followed it too closely.

[GONNAFISTYA]

You're missing the point: these people are fucked in the head and, for some of them, having another person in the park be friendly to them can make crazy people have a geniune fear for their life, as was evidenced last year in BC from that ridiculous yank moron who wished he had a gun against people who had the nerve to say hello.

Some people are fucked in the head and will kill others with little provocation. End of story.

This case made alot of crazy, stupid people a whole lot braver.

[losCHUNK]

Yep and it does look like Zimmermans statement was the only statement of importance to both the jury and the police. Since when has someone defending murder charges been a reliable witness ?. It's pretty shocking.

Just hope that it was a stupid jury.

[U4EA]

You're missing the point: these people are fucked in the head and, for some of them, having another person in the park be friendly to them can make crazy people have a geniune fear for their life ..

I get the point you're trying to make, but I'm trying to express something different. That, again, is not a "genuine" fear for one's life. It might be genuine from the perspective of an unbalanced crazy gun toting thug, but it's not genuine from an unbiased impartial perspective. That was the jury's job to determine in this case, and many people think they got it wrong. I don't know.

My first response to Chunk was a hypothetical "if you have a genuine [legitimate] fear for your life, I would understand how a punch up could escalate to murder in self defence".

[losCHUNK]

Aye I just thought I'd clear it up cos you were right. I could've just said 'fear is relative' and blamed the jury for drawing the wrong conclusions

[Captain]

how does a punch up become a justifiable excuse for killing someone ?

It's justifiable if you have a genuine fear for your life.

If he had a genuine fear for his life, he wouldn't have chased and gunned the kid down with a gun. America

[Captain]

Nightshade where are you?

[MKJ]

OT. What kind if surgery does a transvestite typically need? Gramps' quote confuses me.

[Eraser]

What was the exact verdict? Was it "it's proven that Zimmerman isn't guilty" or was it "we don't have enough proof to convict him for murder"?

[Ryoki]

...what?

[Eraser]

Is that sentence so hard to understand?

[Ryoki]

That's not it, it's more that it displays a lack of comprehension of how trails work. People are not proven innocent you see, they're either proven guilty or they are not.

As for the Zimmerman trail, as i understand the case that the prosecution brought was extremely weak for some reason, there was all kinds of pretty damning circumstantial evidence - but it wasn't enough for a conviction. If there's doubt, do not convict and all that. It's still real weird it turned out this way, mr Zimmerman had this totally ridiculous lawyer who opened the trail with a knock-knock joke and at one point was wrestling with a plastic puppet on the court floor to show how the fight went... Haven't seen much of the trail but i got the impression the dude was a terrible, terrible lawyer. Wouldn't want him representing me, jesus christ what a clown.

So i'm thinking the prosecution is at fault here, they must have fucked up big time at some point.

[feedback]

Well, Florida has a law that allows Zimmerman to do exactly what he did, so I don't see how he could be found guilty. Go change the law if you don't like it.