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It's the same size as yours, only faster and higher spec lol

Wagon race car.

Standard underpowered a4 lol

Still infinitely better than the grocery getting wagon racer.

YourGrandpa wrote:

Don Carlos wrote:You do realise "Quattro" is simply the 4 wheel drive system that can be fitted to most Audi's, right? It doesn't mean the car is going to be super quick...in fact they effectively lose power because of the 4 wheel drive

I know what Quattro is, but you may want to look it up. It's not "simply" anything. It's possibly the worlds best traction control system. So good it was banned from several racing circuits. And the power sacrifice is minimal. There are a lot of cars faster if you're racing in a straight line. But an Audi with Quatrro will usually win in the turns.

Sorry, but no. I am not trolling you now, it is a good system, granted, but certainly not the best traction control system. Why would you need a system that good on a 140bhp saloon?

The ATTESA E-TS Pro system on the Nissan GTR is in with a shout of being the best 4 wheel drive system there is. Hell, even the HICAS systems used in the Skyline R33/R34 days was probably better than your Quattro right now. That along with Range Rovers many efforts and the far more advanced Quattro features on the R8. I've not even mentioned Mitsubishis S-AWV system (demonstrated on Top Gear) which would cream yours.

Don't try and talk it up to people who do actually have knowledge of these things as you come off looking like a tit. It is what it is; a good, medium range 4 wheel drive system. Nothing more.

140bhp lol

Don Carlos wrote:Sorry, but no. I am not trolling you now, it is a good system, granted, but certainly not the best traction control system. Why would you need a system that good on a 140bhp saloon?

The ATTESA E-TS Pro system on the Nissan GTR is in with a shout of being the best 4 wheel drive system there is. Hell, even the HICAS systems used in the Skyline R33/R34 days was probably better than your Quattro right now. That along with Range Rovers many efforts and the far more advanced Quattro features on the R8. I've not even mentioned Mitsubishis S-AWV system (demonstrated on Top Gear) which would cream yours.

Don't try and talk it up to people who do actually have knowledge of these things as you come off looking like a tit. It is what it is; a good, medium range 4 wheel drive system. Nothing more.

Maybe I over stated how good the Audi system is. That doesn't negate the fact that you initially dismissed it as a "simple" system. It's clearly better than simple. You named 7 vehicles that might be better, some of those cars are in the 6 figure range. And if there are only 7 cars that might have a better system, then Audi's must be pretty good. But to clarify, I didn't say the Audi system is the "best" in the world. I said it was one of the best.

Look, you clearly know more about cars than I do. But you didn't want a rational discussion to begin with. You wanted to come in here, shit on what I had to say and move on. Otherwise you would have approached the conversation differently. So drop the all high and mighty bit about up talking when you started the conversation talking down.

Doombrain wrote:140bhp lol

Grocery getter.

YourGrandpa wrote:

Don Carlos wrote:Sorry, but no. I am not trolling you now, it is a good system, granted, but certainly not the best traction control system. Why would you need a system that good on a 140bhp saloon?

The ATTESA E-TS Pro system on the Nissan GTR is in with a shout of being the best 4 wheel drive system there is. Hell, even the HICAS systems used in the Skyline R33/R34 days was probably better than your Quattro right now. That along with Range Rovers many efforts and the far more advanced Quattro features on the R8. I've not even mentioned Mitsubishis S-AWV system (demonstrated on Top Gear) which would cream yours.

Don't try and talk it up to people who do actually have knowledge of these things as you come off looking like a tit. It is what it is; a good, medium range 4 wheel drive system. Nothing more.

Maybe I over stated how good the Audi system is. That doesn't negate the fact that you initially dismissed it as a "simple" system. It's clearly better than simple. You named 7 vehicles that might be better, some of those cars are in the 6 figure range. And if there are only 7 cars that might have a better system, then Audi's must be pretty good. But to clarify, I didn't say the Audi system is the "best" in the world. I said it was one of the best.

Look, you clearly know more about cars than I do. But you didn't want a rational discussion to begin with. You wanted to come in here, shit on what I had to say and move on. Otherwise you would have approached the conversation differently. So drop the all high and mighty bit about up talking when you started the conversation talking down.

In relative terms, the Quattro system in your car is mid range, so no not so simple when it comes to the electronics that drive it, but the basics of the system is quite simple. Not as simple as say, the Honda CRV which about 90% of the time is a front wheel drive car. It is only when the front wheels start to slip that it becomes "4 wheel" drive. A small clutch is used to connect the prop shaft to the rear diff when slippage occurs and disengages when things go back to normal. Your system is way way way more sophisticated than that.

But I was talking in systems, so there are many levels of ATTESA just as there are many different levels of "Quattro". The one in the R8 is far more advanced than yours but you could argue that is Quattro and you are right, but I don't think you'd do such a thing as it would be ludicrous to do so and you know it. The 4WD systems used in Range Rovers of all sorts are far more advanced that the one in your car and have been for about 10 years.

You did say (and I quote) "It's possibly the worlds best traction control system". And I wasn't trying to shit on anything. I happen to like A4s, Audi's in general and think yours looks very nice. I am a huge VAG fan and have own several VWs, Seats etc myself. But you did over hype the Quattro bit as a major "thing". You have a good car, be happy with it

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Doombrain wrote:Edited 3 times lol

Yeah, posting from a phone is almost as bad as driving a wagon.

Don Carlos wrote: In relative terms, the Quattro system in your car is mid range, so no not so simple when it comes to the electronics that drive it, but the basics of the system is quite simple. Not as simple as say, the Honda CRV which about 90% of the time is a front wheel drive car. It is only when the front wheels start to slip that it becomes "4 wheel" drive. A small clutch is used to connect the prop shaft to the rear diff when slippage occurs and disengages when things go back to normal. Your system is way way way more sophisticated than that.

But I was talking in systems, so there are many levels of ATTESA just as there are many different levels of "Quattro". The one in the R8 is far more advanced than yours but you could argue that is Quattro and you are right, but I don't think you'd do such a thing as it would be ludicrous to do so and you know it. The 4WD systems used in Range Rovers of all sorts are far more advanced that the one in your car and have been for about 10 years.

You did say (and I quote) "It's possibly the worlds best traction control system". And I wasn't trying to shit on anything. I happen to like A4s, Audi's in general and think yours looks very nice. I am a huge VAG fan and have own several VWs, Seats etc myself. But you did over hype the Quattro bit as a major "thing". You have a good car, be happy with it

I'm very happy with it. Thank you.

What kind of VW are we talking about here?
Cause the Passat 1.8 Station and the A4 share the same engine funnily enough.
Used to have one till it got t-boned into oblivion :/.

I roll in the 2012 passat estate sport 177 yo. YGP has a 2nd hand standard A4 140.

I bought my A4 new stooge. It's a 2011 A4 2.0t Quattro. Not a wagon of course.

it's old then lol, and sllooowwww

You still drive a wagon.

It's classed as the same size as the A4

And it's still a wagon.

Ok standard spec a4 lol

lots of talk but only one pic of the speedometer, the only thing that matters on a car when comparing.

lets see if doombrains multi purpose wagon can top ygp`s current high score

Doombrain wrote:Ok standard spec a4 lol

Even in your fantasy land you still drive a wagon.

Lol a your standard spec dash lol

Everyone LOLs at wagon riders.

Standard spec lol