Guns n clubs

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

Prolly casing it. Didn't he go to Saudi in 2012 and 2013?... bomb SA?...

More likely he was a repressed homosexual with mental problems but maybe.

[scared?]

Quit dreaming homo...

http://www.businessinsider.com/omar-mat ... rah-2016-6

[YourGrandpa]

Apparently Mateen was attending the club once or twice a month for the last 3 years.

Some speculate he was a closeted homosexual that was conflicted with his religion.

[scared?]

Yeah and hitler was a homosexual... Stoopid bullshit...

[YourGrandpa]

No legal way to buy an AR-15 means it would have been more difficult to do what he did. I'm not surprised you don't understand this but most people do.

If IEDs are so great he wouldn't have used an AR-15. It's a reliable, efficient killing machine.

So no AR-15 automatically means less threat, less death and no bomb?

Keep skirting the real issue if it makes you feel better.

[YourGrandpa]

Yeah and hitler was a homosexual... Stoopid bullshit...

But he liked children and puppies.

[Transient]

I'm anti-gun. This is not even close to being about guns, but folks keep bringing up gun laws.

Jesus rapebaby Christ... when there actually is a massive and foul case of homophobic hate crime, it's not even about the crime, or the cause, but what implement was used to commit the crime. Someone regressplain that shit for me pls, 'cos I put it into computar and it BSODs.

It's about guns insofar as that is the weapon used to murder 49 people. It could have been a knife or a bomb, but knives don't kill as many people and bombs aren't as accessible. Stricter/enforced gun laws wouldn't prevent every mass murder, but the rate would go down. It's about Islam to the extent that it was the religion the murderer draped himself in to rationalize his hate. In different times and places, different religions are/were used to justify the same kind of behavior and worse. I think when the vast majority of people really read their bible and find out that it says they should murder one group or another, they don't go and do it. It's about homophobia because the killer went out of his way to shoot up a gay bar. He expressed his distain for gay people to his father and friends in the months leading up to the attack. It's also about mental health care. The guy was bipolar and likely had other issues we'll never know about. It could have been managed with the right meds and support system.

It's about all of these things and the way they intertwine, I reckon. If the mental problems had triggered something in the background check, maybe he wouldn't have the gun. If society was more accepting of the LGBT community, maybe his mental issues wouldn't have manifested as homophobia. If the government wasn't dropping bombs on Muslims, maybe he wouldn't feel the need to retaliate on behalf of ISIS. There's plenty of blame to go around.

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

No legal way to buy an AR-15 means it would have been more difficult to do what he did. I'm not surprised you don't understand this but most people do.

If IEDs are so great he wouldn't have used an AR-15. It's a reliable, efficient killing machine.

So no AR-15 automatically means less threat, less death and no bomb?

Keep skirting the real issue if it makes you feel better.

Statistics supports this, so yes...

[YourGrandpa]

Statistics supports this, so yes...

Statistics. What statistics exactly? I'm not sure how you could accurately collect the necessary data to support your claim that extremists/terrorists would kill less people without legal access to firearms. Can you provide a link?

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

YGP. 30 ninjas are running at you with knives. Would you rather be armed with an AR-15 or a 9mm handgun? Honestly.

An AR-15 is more lethal. You know this. I'm sure you do.

[scared?]

Obviously the jew ran a few hypothesis tests and found the p-values were less than alpha(.05) so he rejected the null hypothesis's and concluded that guns do indeed fuck him up the ass on a weekly basis... ...

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

Holy fuck I just read that 5 million Americans own AR-15s.

[scared?]

No in 2013 Americans owned 5-8.5 million of them... Many more now...

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the jew

Now you're just starting to sound anti-semitic.

[scared?]

Shhhh . I'm trying to watch star wars on my 10k TV...

[shaft]

[YourGrandpa]

YGP. 30 ninjas are running at you with knives. Would you rather be armed with an AR-15 or a 9mm handgun? Honestly.

An AR-15 is more lethal. You know this. I'm sure you do.

I would prefer a car in this instance. And I think you're still missing the point.

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

YGP. 30 ninjas are running at you with knives. Would you rather be armed with an AR-15 or a 9mm handgun? Honestly.

An AR-15 is more lethal. You know this. I'm sure you do.

I would prefer a car in this instance. And I think you're still missing the point.

See, when people start getting weasel-like I begin to lose interest in having a discussion. Much like when memphis replies with 'women rape women too' like it's anywhere close to male-female rape as a proportion (or loschunk contending that the low conviction rate means that most reported rapes are women making it up) I see that and i know people are being disingenuous or they are predisposed in a way that rational debate won't make any difference.

But I'll take this a bit further with you gwamps...

I'm not missing your point. You can't buy a bomb legally. If you make a bomb you're at risk of your own weapon killing you when deployed, certainly more so than an AR-15. A car won't fit through the door of a nightclub or the door of a school. So a gun has certain advantages. Right?

There's no car or bomb but there is an AR-15 and a 9mm pistol on a table in front of you. People with knives are running at you. Which do you pick up? Let me guess you won't answer...

weasels everywhere...

[losCHUNK]

Statistics supports this, so yes...

Statistics. What statistics exactly? I'm not sure how you could accurately collect the necessary data to support your claim that extremists/terrorists would kill less people without legal access to firearms. Can you provide a link?

Don't mention statistics, it confuses him

[Doombrain]

YGP, name caller. Moron. Gun nut.

[MKJ]

So close to this being a civil discussion.
Let's try again after next shooting

[Ryoki]

Ah, the old 'guns don't kill people, people kill people', well done gramps. A fantastic argument for those of us who have trouble distinguishing one or two deaths with a mass murder.

Sure a guy with a knife can kill a few people, but to really rack up those mind blowing death counts you're going to need a gun. If all you care about is apportioning blame and declaring that someone does or does not have murderous intent, then by all means, claim a knife and a gun are equivalent weapons

[AndyW]

Too much tolerance for that Islamic-Terror-Scum!
USA made them big, now they get killed with their own guns...
Bad Karma!

[seremtan]

Someone regressplain that shit for me pls, 'cos I put it into computar and it BSODs.

because people will, by and large, incorporate new information (i.e. events) into their existing world view rather than modify their views, so you end up with a lot of displacement activity as people downplay certain aspects of an event in order to grind their prepared axe

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