You have to admit that something like this would never happen in your country. But not because the police in your country would use excessive force, but because no one in your country is that fucking stupid to disobey a cop.saturn wrote:I suppose this unnecessary excessive violence is funny in an inherently violent society.
gawd, you americans are really fucked up
Ha I love it
You really think every cop in the US or even the world endure those daily hasards you speak of? I highly doubt it.tnf wrote: So few people seem to have any fucking clue what it is like to be involved in a job where daily hazards include being shot at, having people attempt to run you over, dealing with violent gangs, drug dealers, etc., etc., etc...but these same people sure seem to feel qualified in telling them how to do their job - from the comfort of a chair in front of a tv or computer, of course.
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Ofc I'm not a cop, I don't have the 'cops intuition' for analysing certain situations as dangerous or whatever.
I'm not gonna tell someon how to do their job, but in thi case my first reaction is that I a taser is maybe execessive, but then again I was not there.
I'm not gonna tell someon how to do their job, but in thi case my first reaction is that I a taser is maybe execessive, but then again I was not there.
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My final thought on this whole thing:eepberries wrote:But a tazer? Just because she wouldn't put her cell phone down? Fuck, that's just excessive (and possibly illegal?). I mean, aren't cops usually supposed to try more conventional methods before using a tazer to subdue someone? Seriously, I couldn't watch all of that. While yes, she did deserve some sort of punishment, she didn't deserve such a brutal physical attack.
Before this incident this woman probably - like most normal people - would never think of physically harming or even confronting a cop. But now that she's got a taste of the taser I'd think it's possible in the future that she might take an opportunity to "pre-emptively defend herself" with a pepper spray or something the next time a cop makes threatening comments.
I still say that some people in the public automatically think the cops will get violent with their person because of incidents like this, which adds to the tension of "the situation". Couple that with the tension of "the situation" when the cop thinks every suspect might want to do something potentially violent and you have a paranoid cycle that will only get worse.
Sorta like the Hatfields and McCoys.
It's a paranoid cycle that the US seems unwilling to get out of. And if this cycle is indeed true and a cause of random violence in that country then I my comment will be along the same lines of when I speak of gang wars and other people who are chronically violent towards one another: "Let em wipe each other out."
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I highly doubt that.GONNAFISTYA wrote:
Before this incident this woman probably - like most normal people - would never think of physically harming or even confronting a cop. But now that she's got a taste of the taser I'd think it's possible in the future that she might take an opportunity to "pre-emptively defend herself" with a pepper spray or something the next time a cop makes threatening comments.
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So do I.mjrpes wrote:I highly doubt that.GONNAFISTYA wrote:
Before this incident this woman probably - like most normal people - would never think of physically harming or even confronting a cop. But now that she's got a taste of the taser I'd think it's possible in the future that she might take an opportunity to "pre-emptively defend herself" with a pepper spray or something the next time a cop makes threatening comments.
But again...some people are that stupid and alot of people seem to hold grudges for the dumbest things.
Like I said in my post about me getting violent people out of the bar without physical force...in those situations I never gave someone a reason to want to defy me, let alone become violent with me.
Actually glad you don't either with that type of thinking.saturn wrote:I was reading the replies with amazed feelings.
LOL, DUMB FAT BITCH GOT WHAT SHE DESERVED, SHOULDN'T HAVE LISTENED AND PUT THAT PHONE DOWN. LOL, SHE JIGGLED AND MOANED. ETC.
You guys are used to so much violence that if your cops use excessive force it's funny to you.
I'm really glad that I don't live in the United States of America. Christ, I'm actually getting worked up by this.
If she can't respect authority enough to get out of the damn car when she's ordered to by a cop, she deserves it. If you don't have respect for authority of some type, then you have a break down in society. Pretty simple task to understand. Look at our inner city's as examples.
Now I'm not saying she should of been Rodney King'd but tasing her was a simple solution to extracting her from the car without risking injury to the cops. Cops can get hurt by women too and if it were me in that situation, I'm choosing she takes the force, not me.
Put on a badge, walk the streets sometimes where you deal with weirdos, freaks or people who flip on a moment, then you can talk.
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[xeno]Julios wrote:looks like the cop just wanted an excuse to test out his tazer...
there were non-lethal ways of dealing with noncooperative people before the invention of non-lethal weapons. Those ways still exist.
She was a woman.
alone.
there were 2 armed cops.
the math's pretty straightforward to me.
you're right, it's not like women could handle a gun or any other deadly object.
Man, once again, what make you think that every cop have to deal with those people? Educate yourself and talk to some cops some day, it really depends in what area your working and so many other factors.RiffRaff wrote:
Put on a badge, walk the streets sometimes where you deal with weirdos, freaks or people who flip on a moment, then you can talk.
Think you watch too much internet movies.
Cops have been shot, stabbed, beat-up all over america and I'm sure other places in the world. Not every day mind you but why should they take a chance with someone? If a cop could tell who was dangerous and who wasn't at a glance, their jobs would be a lot easier.MaCaBr3 wrote:You really think every cop in the US or even the world endure those daily hasards you speak of? I highly doubt it.tnf wrote: So few people seem to have any fucking clue what it is like to be involved in a job where daily hazards include being shot at, having people attempt to run you over, dealing with violent gangs, drug dealers, etc., etc., etc...but these same people sure seem to feel qualified in telling them how to do their job - from the comfort of a chair in front of a tv or computer, of course.
I clearly don't understand how someone could take the side of this lady, clearly in the wrong, over the cop who gave her ample opportunities to obey his commands but she chose to escalate the situation.
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if a cop lives in a decent sized city (city, not town), of course they deal with people like that daily.MaCaBr3 wrote:Man, once again, what make you think that every cop have to deal with those people? Educate yourself and talk to some cops some day, it really depends in what area your working and so many other factors.RiffRaff wrote:
Put on a badge, walk the streets sometimes where you deal with weirdos, freaks or people who flip on a moment, then you can talk.
Think you watch too much internet movies.
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I actually have friends that are cops. Also, I don't gather my information from movies but thank you for assuming such an obsurd idea without even knowing me.MaCaBr3 wrote:Man, once again, what make you think that every cop have to deal with those people? Educate yourself and talk to some cops some day, it really depends in what area your working and so many other factors.RiffRaff wrote:
Put on a badge, walk the streets sometimes where you deal with weirdos, freaks or people who flip on a moment, then you can talk.
Think you watch too much internet movies.
I'm not saying that EVERY cop has to deal with deadly situations daily but are you really telling me that every cop can not be put into a situation where he may be injured or even killed? You live in a dream world my friend.
Just do some research yourself. I'm not gonna do it for you. Hell, you can find hundreds of articles where cops are killed in and outside of the line of duty. Traffic stops, domestic calls, breaking up fights in bars, etc. These events happen all over America and around the world.
Yeah that's why I said "every". Video might aswell have been from the local PD from [insert peacefull town/city] where nothing happens.+JuggerNaut+ wrote: if a cop lives in a decent sized city (city, not town), of course they deal with people like that daily.
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RiffRaff wrote: I actually have friends that are cops. Also, I don't gather my information from movies but thank you for assuming such an obsurd idea without even knowing me.
I'm not saying that EVERY cop has to deal with deadly situations daily but are you really telling me that every cop can not be put into a situation where he may be injured or even killed? You live in a dream world my friend.
Just do some research yourself. I'm not gonna do it for you. Hell, you can find hundreds of articles where cops are killed in and outside of the line of duty. Traffic stops, domestic calls, breaking up fights in bars, etc. These events happen all over America and around the world.
You are clearely missing my point. See above.
PS: I also have friend who are cops, who doesn't.
What the fuck you talking to me about a dreamworld...Maybe everything is different over the ocean, not my fault. But overhere, cops don't get killed by the minute, even in the 'dangerous' districts.
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The cop gave the dumb bitch plenty of warning to drop the phone and get the fuck out.
I would of Tazed her then had my backup mace the bitch.
Cops in my town have better things to do then argue with you.
Just do as they ask and you will get the fuck on your way faster and easier.
The cop gave the dumb bitch plenty of warning to drop the phone and get the fuck out.
I would of Tazed her then had my backup mace the bitch.
Cops in my town have better things to do then argue with you.
Just do as they ask and you will get the fuck on your way faster and easier.
Whatever. LOL man. It seems clear to me that someone who understands the law and respects authority is someone who is more ample to obey the laws and abide civily. Do some research on inner-city problems with relations to gangs and tell me those individuals respect the law, their fellow citizens and civil structure. Where is your "Happy Place" cause it's blinding you to reality.MaCaBr3 wrote:That's such a bullshit statement.RiffRaff wrote:
If you don't have respect for authority of some type, then you have a break down in society. Pretty simple task to understand.
Unless you're doing a clear 180 on your previous stance, I think I understand your point clearly. You think the force was excessive because not EVERY cop in America or the World is put in a threatening situation. My point is ANY cop never knows what could happen. They don't know that a simple traffic stop or domestic house call could end in their injury or death. It happens. Is that not what you're saying?MaCaBr3 wrote: You are clearely missing my point. See above.
PS: I also have friend who are cops, who doesn't.
PS.. Then why did you make such a general, presumptuous statement?
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Jesus christ fuck off with your happy place and dreamworld bullshit. What your saying with your "respect to autority" statement is that anyobody who dissagrees or disrespects authoriy is anarchist. Like you never have dissrespected or dissagreed ever in your life with authority. Your boss is authority too, let's see how you work is out when you have cuntfaced boss.RiffRaff wrote:Whatever. LOL man. It seems clear to me that someone who understands the law and respects authority is someone who is more ample to obey the laws and abide civily. Do some research on inner-city problems with relations to gangs and tell me those individuals respect the law, their fellow citizens and civil structure. Where is your "Happy Place" cause it's blinding you to reality.MaCaBr3 wrote:That's such a bullshit statement.RiffRaff wrote:
If you don't have respect for authority of some type, then you have a break down in society. Pretty simple task to understand.
Wow, HALF your friends are cops?MaCaBr3 wrote:Half my friends are cops in Brussels. Ofcourse they deal with idiots, but really not on a daily basis. Maybe that's different in the US ofcourse.+JuggerNaut+ wrote:
if a cop lives in a decent sized city (city, not town), of course they deal with people like that daily.
Shit kid..you should go for a ride with a cop in downtown Detroit for a day. You'd wet your pants, shit yourself, and then beg for the cop to taser anyone who looked at you funny for fear of being killed, fucked, beaten, or all of the above...