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Re: no coronavirus thread ?
Posted: Tue May 12, 2020 5:13 pm
by YourGrandpa
Eraser wrote:What are you trying to say, YourGrandpa? I thought the whole "flattening the curve" thing and the reasons behind it are common knowledge by now?
The curve has been flattened. It's time to cautiously reopen our economies and get back to work. We cannot quarantine for the next 12 to 18 months (maybe never) waiting for a vaccine. We also have to understand that we will lose lives as a direct result of shut downs. Suicides from depression and people avoiding/denied routine medical check ups will potentially kill tens of thousands.
Re: no coronavirus thread ?
Posted: Tue May 12, 2020 7:19 pm
by Captain
YourGrandpa wrote:Suicides from depression and people avoiding/denied routine medical check ups will potentially kill tens of thousands.
That's a result of your impoverished third-world shithole not having healthcare. Average Americans die from the measliest viruses because they can't afford medical visits or basic check-ups, not to mention the resurgence of diseases all thanks to the biblethumper anti-vaxxer population you have over there.
BUT BUT BUT THE ECONOMY
Re: no coronavirus thread ?
Posted: Tue May 12, 2020 8:40 pm
by seremtan
*laughs in NHS*
Re: no coronavirus thread ?
Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 5:33 am
by Eraser
YourGrandpa wrote:Eraser wrote:What are you trying to say, YourGrandpa? I thought the whole "flattening the curve" thing and the reasons behind it are common knowledge by now?
The curve has been flattened. It's time to cautiously reopen our economies and get back to work. We cannot quarantine for the next 12 to 18 months (maybe never) waiting for a vaccine. We also have to understand that we will lose lives as a direct result of shut downs. Suicides from depression and people avoiding/denied routine medical check ups will potentially kill tens of thousands.
I don't disagree with that sentiment, but I also think we should he very, very careful. Germany has been relaxing their restrictions and the infection rate has increased to above 1 again.
Also, I'm not sure about the situation in the US, but here in the Netherlands, there has been an emphasis on IC capacity. We managed to significantly increase capacity and not get our hospitals swamped. The number of IC beds in use is declining now, so people are quick to claim victory. The problem,however, is that our hospitals are still working at like 130% of their normal abilities and have still shut down certain parts of their healthcare services to increase IC capacity. We're not back to normal by quite a stretch. A second outbreak would be a disaster and not something we can afford.
Re: no coronavirus thread ?
Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 6:07 am
by scared?
YourGrandpa wrote:
The curve has been flattened. It's time to cautiously reopen our economies and get back to work. We cannot quarantine for the next 12 to 18 months (maybe never) waiting for a vaccine. We also have to understand that we will lose lives as a direct result of shut downs. Suicides from depression and people avoiding/denied routine medical check ups will potentially kill tens of thousands.
This moron sounds like ur average QAnon dipshit... Understandable, but pathetic...
Re: no coronavirus thread ?
Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 6:10 am
by Whiskey 7
On another note...................
Reported cases
5 May 3,711,460
7 May 3,917,564
11 May 4,181,221
13 May 4,342,849
Source #1
Source #2
Re: no coronavirus thread ?
Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 1:22 pm
by Doombrain
STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT
Re: no coronavirus thread ?
Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 5:57 pm
by seremtan
Re: no coronavirus thread ?
Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 6:26 pm
by seremtan
YourGrandpa wrote:The curve has been flattened.
no it hasn't. not even close
a flattened curve:
a not even slightly flattened curve:
(both charts show confirmed cases)
Re: no coronavirus thread ?
Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 7:55 pm
by Captain
WOO LOOKIT THAT LINE SHOOTIN' UP WE'RE #1 U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A! HOOO-AHHH
Re: no coronavirus thread ?
Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 8:17 pm
by Whiskey 7
Incredible number....
Re: no coronavirus thread ?
Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 8:39 pm
by MKJ
lol 3rd world countries
Re: no coronavirus thread ?
Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 10:52 pm
by seremtan
with the orange tardplanet in charge, the US is practically a 4th world country at this point
Re: no coronavirus thread ?
Posted: Thu May 14, 2020 5:03 am
by Eraser
But Obamagate!
Re: no coronavirus thread ?
Posted: Thu May 14, 2020 11:50 am
by Pext
Whiskey 7 wrote:Incredible number...
Yes. But raw numbers don't tell you anything without context. A better comparison would be the EU:
US 1.4m cases / 85k deaths.
EU 1.5m cases / 160k deaths.
So are the US doing better?
Again we're comparing raw numbers. Looking at cases per capita (330m for the US, 450m for the EU):
US: 0.4% infected / 0.02% deaths.
EU: 0.3% infected / 0.035% deaths.
But then again, the number of tests performed varies a lot from country to country and from what I know, the US is heavily undertesting and the case mortality is a lot above the world average in Italy, Spain and GB.
Some explorable data here:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Re: no coronavirus thread ?
Posted: Thu May 14, 2020 7:13 pm
by vesp
UK reported figures are high, but they're also adding on extra figures to include "coronavirus related" deaths (eg heart attack caused by coronavirus complications is not recorded separately as just cause of death being a heart attack), and added non-hospital deaths that were tested post mortem.
Reporting methods vary from country to country. Not everyone is counting and reporting in the same way. *cough* China...
Death attributed to coronavirus is also usually only being reported if the person had tested positive. The figures are OK for "big picture", but trying to say X country has a better percentage than Y country at this stage is still wobbly data analysis at best. (Pext's figures show how close the relative percentage points are)
There are also some strange factors not always considered - some countries had lower than usual expected death rate during last year's flu season (meaning more of our population were at extreme risk to covid19), climate, population spread over geography and age, that make direct country-country comparison... well, really hard.
To add on some further reading, fairly clear article on the issue is below (uk centric, couple weeks old, and almost trying to explain away the mis-handling by UK govt, but still interesting),
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -countries
Re: no coronavirus thread ?
Posted: Fri May 15, 2020 7:52 am
by Whiskey 7
Reported cases still climbing...
5 May 3,711,460
7 May 3,917,564
11 May 4,181,221
13 May 4,342,849
15 May 4,539,401
Source #1
Source #2
Re: no coronavirus thread ?
Posted: Fri May 15, 2020 9:01 am
by Doombrain
FFS
Re: no coronavirus thread ?
Posted: Fri May 15, 2020 10:22 am
by Κracus
Feels like we're gonna reach billions before it slows down.
Re: no coronavirus thread ?
Posted: Fri May 15, 2020 10:30 am
by Eraser
Κracus wrote:Feels like we're gonna reach billions before it slows down.
Uh, at this point we're still more or less a billion away from a billion people
Re: no coronavirus thread ?
Posted: Fri May 15, 2020 11:00 am
by Κracus
I guess if exponential growth is a new concept to you.
Re: no coronavirus thread ?
Posted: Fri May 15, 2020 11:41 am
by Doombrain
4.4m now, more like 20-30m. Only 970m to go!
You should think before you type, Rob.
Re: no coronavirus thread ?
Posted: Fri May 15, 2020 12:21 pm
by Κracus
Doombrain wrote:They pulled the trigger too early, that’s for sure to be sure.
Re: no coronavirus thread ?
Posted: Fri May 15, 2020 1:32 pm
by seremtan
Κracus wrote:I guess if exponential growth is a new concept to you.
exponential growth curves don't go on being exponential growth curves forever, especially not when measures are taken to make sure they don't go on forever
for example, think of geoff shitposting on discord. the shitposting starts gently, then increases exponentially until DB has had enough and he gets banned -> the curve is flattened (instantly, in this case)
see?
Re: no coronavirus thread ?
Posted: Fri May 15, 2020 1:37 pm
by Κracus
I do which is why I think we'll hit the billion mark or get close to it. Especially with countries like India with massive populations.
