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Tsakali wrote:that's because common paid jobs won't get the same level of treatment, as a hobby where you can dump hours into it without having to justify ROI.

lol

HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:no

Doombrain wrote: lol

the vast knowledge in this place is humbling

lol

Tsakali wrote:that's because common paid jobs won't get the same level of treatment, as a hobby where you can dump hours into it without having to justify ROI.

Where did you hear this?

A common job for me will have at least 8 hours of retouching on top of whatever I'm shooting.

If someone isn't applying any retouching to an image, it's NEVER because of ROI. It's because deep retouching isn't required or they simply don't have the skill.

Even on a headshot session that I charge £200 for, I put in roughly the same amount of retouching time that I put in on commercial jobs that I charge £1200 a day for.

You would have to... when you set a standard for yourself, people expect that standard when they hire you.
Not that i've ever been hired, but just saying.

0psys wrote:

Tsakali wrote:that's because common paid jobs won't get the same level of treatment, as a hobby where you can dump hours into it without having to justify ROI.

A common job for me will have at least 8 hours of retouching on top of whatever I'm shooting.

If someone isn't applying any retouching to an image, it's NEVER because of ROI. It's because deep retouching isn't required or they simply don't have the skill.

Even on a headshot session that I charge £200 for, I put in roughly the same amount of retouching time that I put in on commercial jobs that I charge £1200 a day for.

that sounds more like a personal take on the issue....and I'm sure the £1200 customer would take offence to that.

Once you start having more jobs than you have the sense to take on, you'll see a shift in your paradigm. I've seen it happen to people that I sometimes have to deal with through mutual clients. I guess that would be a personal take on my part too

But what are you basing it on. Know much about the industry do you?

Tsakali wrote:that's because common paid jobs won't get the same level of treatment, as a hobby where you can dump hours into it without having to justify ROI.

wait, did you just say that doing something as a hobby yields superior results to doing it professionally?

uberlmaoburgers

wait, you expect extra credit simply for paraphrasing me (and missing the point in the process) before serving yet another pointless reply?

No, you said something without having a clue and now it's unraveling. just give up.

Tsakali wrote:wait, you expect extra credit...

GPA = 4.0 in Tsakalakis Studies

Doombrain wrote:No, you said something without having a clue and now it's unraveling. just give up.

lol

I've not long finished a project with Steve McCurry and an exhibition. What have you done?

Oh yeah, nothing. lol?

moron alourt

just stop you fucking tool

"finished a project with Steve McCurry" sounds awesome eh, almost like you were right there at his side, dodging bullets and rpg's and shooting pictures of beautiful Afghan girls. What happened really, did he order a large printout of one of his shots?

when did you get the butt hurt with me??

i retouched, balanced, colour managed and printed 40 64 x 90 inch prints for his UK retrospective, which was a total pain in the ass.

Ryoki wrote:...beautiful Afghan girls

Doombrain wrote:
i retouched, balanced, colour managed and printed 40 64 x 90 inch prints for his UK retrospective, which was a total pain in the ass.

Just having a laff, no worries
Touch of jelussy too i must say, he's a bit of a hero that man.

well he was in New York so didn't get to meet him and when he visited the show i was in Spain.

Very fussy about the detail. We spent thousands on wasted print media getting it right because soft proofing's a massive waste of time where's there's no standards to hit.

Doombrain wrote:just stop you fucking tool

lol who's the tool? you're the one dropping other people's names, to elevate your otherwise pathetic life. I bet he lives right up the street from you too.

Toolbrain

Tsakali wrote:

Doombrain wrote:just stop you fucking tool

lol who's the tool? you're the one dropping other people's names, to elevate your otherwise pathetic life. I bet he lives right up the street from you too.

Without any doubt, it's you. Mr National Debt.

lol, i've had better comebacks from shit flinging chimps.

lol, no u etc. end of test. smashes plates.