So I bought a new shotgun...

[YourGrandpa]

Keep guessing.

[Fender]

stop replying...

[YourGrandpa]

Quit crying.

[Chupacabra]

stop replying...

i dont mean to be mean or ominous, but every time this thread gets bumped up, i have a slight thought (not hope) that maybe YG accidentally blew his wife or his son's face away. then again, im not sure why he would update about that.

[LawL]

i guess this is how you have a midlife crisis when you can't afford a bright red corvette.

[YourGrandpa]

So I sold my L1A1 and bought an AR series, DPMS LR-308 16" Carbine rifle. I've still got a few upgrades coming for it. EOTEech 557G23FTS holographic sight, DPMS Free Float 4-Rail Hand Guard, DPMS Panther Tactical Grip and Mako T-POD.
Mako T-POD.
Here it is in factory condition...




Enjoy.

[LawL]

Awesome, go kill something.

[phantasmagoria]

So I sold my L1A1 and bought an AR series, DPMS LR-308 16" Carbine rifle. I've still got a few upgrades coming for it. EOTEech 557G23FTS holographic sight, DPMS Free Float 4-Rail Hand Guard, DPMS Panther Tactical Grip and Mako T-POD.
Mako T-POD.
Here it is in factory condition...




Enjoy.

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

nice bullet apron

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

Concealed handgun permit holders have killed at least nine law enforcement officers in addition to 108 private citizens (including 13 shooters who killed themselves after an attack) since May 2007… (in the USA)

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

Christopher Bryan Speight, the 39-year-old man who allegedly shot and killed eight men and women yesterday in Appomattox, Virginia, is at least the 12th person licensed to carry a concealed handgun reported to have committed a mass shooting since May 2007 according to Violence Policy Center (VPC) research.

[Nightshade]

So let's just ignore the real problem (which is why people kill each other in the first place, shitty mental healthcare system, etc.) and just ban guns. Then everything will be swell.

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

Guns are a problem. You just want to focus on everything else to their exclusion.

I'd be most happy focusing on all the problems.

[xer0s]

Here we go again...

[MKJ]

ns is so easily trolled when it comes to guns.

[Nightshade]

Guns are a problem. You just want to focus on everything else to their exclusion.

I'd be most happy focusing on all the problems.

Guns are not a problem. Irresponsible, idiotic gun owners are a problem.

[seremtan]

so, serious questions gramps: how many guns do you own now? do you use them all at a range? is that a hobby of yours?

i'm just curious

[Peenyuh]

So let's just ignore the real problem (which is why people kill each other in the first place, shitty mental healthcare system, etc.) and just ban guns. Then everything will be swell.

Guns are not a problem. Irresponsible, idiotic gun owners are a problem.

There are so many other factors involved in violent episodes, it's simply asinine to immediately go to the "OHMYGODGUNS" panic. Mr. NS has presented a fact, sarcastically and simplistically, stating that guns are not the real problem.

Mr. PuFF has actually made an excellent argument toward the uselessness of stricter anti gun laws. Stricter laws aren't going to prevent violent behavior. A violent offender is going to be less likely to perform violence as the probability that he is going to hurt worse rises. Even the offender who plans to kill himself after the act, will not risk a great deal. Violent men will pick the easiest target. In a community where guns are outlawed, Law abiding citizens are at the very top of that list.

[Doombrain]

Guns are not a problem. Irresponsible, idiotic gun owners are a problem.

That's right, in fact guns help by taking all the effort out of the killing bit when it happens.

[Doombrain]

i wonder if you can get a tactical aim bot for that shotgun?

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

Public health research has shown that firearms violence is directly related to firearms availability and density. What separates America from other Western, industrialized nations is not our overall rate of violence, but our rates of lethal violence�which can be directly traced to gun availability. In 2004 alone, 29,569 Americans died by gunfire: 16,750 in firearm suicides, 11,935 in firearm homicides, 649 in unintentional shootings, and 235 in firearm deaths of unknown intent, according to the National Center for Health Statistics. More than twice that number are treated in emergency rooms each year for nonfatal firearm injuries.

Most Americans are surprised to learn that most gun deaths are not homicides, but preventable suicides. Even in homicide, the vast majority stem not from criminal activity, but are the result of arguments between people who know one another. Less than eight percent of all gun deaths are felony related. The most common scenario for homicide in America is an argument between two people who know one another.

Gun violence places a tremendous burden on America's health care system. Direct medical costs for gunshot wounds total more than six million dollars a day. Nonfatal gunshot wounds are the leading source of uninsured hospital stays in the United States, with an estimated half of such costs borne directly by the public. These numbers reveal that while most Americans view gun violence solely as a crime issue, it is, in fact, a broad-based public health issue of which crime is merely the most recognized aspect.

from http://www.vpc.org/

Marshall Mcluhan (the Sheriff in this town [see what I did there?]) agrees with me on this so I must be right. Now if you'll excuse me I'm going back to watching Magnum Force.

[Fender]

[Peenyuh]

Public health research has shown that firearms violence is directly related to firearms availability and density. What separates America from other Western, industrialized nations is not our overall rate of violence, but our rates of lethal violence�which can be directly traced to gun availability. In 2004 alone, 29,569 Americans died by gunfire: 16,750 in firearm suicides, 11,935 in firearm homicides, 649 in unintentional shootings, and 235 in firearm deaths of unknown intent, according to the National Center for Health Statistics. More than twice that number are treated in emergency rooms each year for nonfatal firearm injuries.

Most Americans are surprised to learn that most gun deaths are not homicides, but preventable suicides. Even in homicide, the vast majority stem not from criminal activity, but are the result of arguments between people who know one another. Less than eight percent of all gun deaths are felony related. The most common scenario for homicide in America is an argument between two people who know one another.

Gun violence places a tremendous burden on America's health care system. Direct medical costs for gunshot wounds total more than six million dollars a day. Nonfatal gunshot wounds are the leading source of uninsured hospital stays in the United States, with an estimated half of such costs borne directly by the public. These numbers reveal that while most Americans view gun violence solely as a crime issue, it is, in fact, a broad-based public health issue of which crime is merely the most recognized aspect.

from http://www.vpc.org/

Marshall Mcluhan (the Sheriff in this town [see what I did there?]) agrees with me on this so I must be right. Now if you'll excuse me I'm going back to watching Magnum Force.

I sure don't dispute these. Availability has nothing to do with anti gun law. Guns are just as available now as they were 100 years ago. I could walk down to the end of my street right now and pick up a healthy .45 for under $300. - with no waiting period. Since there's NO way to effectively remove the guns from our (American) society, and the American mindset is obviously different from European, AND, since it wouldn't be a good idea to dole guns out like condoms at a gay rights parade - we should start looking at ways to put fear back into criminals and cultivating accountability back into individuals.

@ Fender: Chimneys don't kill people, DOGS kill people!

[Geebs]

Puff, isn't your argument blown out of the water by those countries with similar levels of gun ownership to the US but with much lower gun mortality? Like, errr, Canada?

Guns don't kill people. Freedom kills people.

(for values of Freedom which include tards like Gwamps and Peen-yuh being allowed to own guns)

[R00k]

Or Switzerland for that matter. Isn't nearly every man required to own a gun there for the militia?