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f00dl3 wrote:
Then why have I never had a virus on Windows XP? Perhaps it's your firewall. Maby you chose a bad firewall. (Like the Built In XP Firewall - it's known to be flawed - even on SP2). Either that, or you used Internet Exploiter. It's better to use Mozilla or Firefox for a web browser.

Listen, I don't want to start a flame war. All I'm saying is that security is in the way you implement it. I never had a problem with my XP SP1 security, so there is no reason to switch to SP2.

In the mean time, check out http://www.lafkon.net/tc/TC_HIGH.html

Some major code revisions were made to the whole OS and a ton of new security features were integrated with SP2.

The list of critical security fixes made in SP2 was hugeand if its not installed you're already missing a bunch of new critical security patches which have been put out since then. The point is that you've offered no logical reason to not update other than some halfassed and unsupported rhetoric about DRM. To borrow an analogy, its kind of like your car manufacturer recalling a vehicle that you own for a ton of major problems and you choosing to continue driving it anyways.

I've had no problems with SP1 or SP2, I disable everything anyway just use a router firewall and forward ports. I use firefox and do I online virus scan for files that I'm not sure about.

http://www.kaspersky.com/scanforvirus

I haven't had any problems, the worst was I got some spyware back in the day but it took me a few minutes to remove it. I reformat/reinstall every 4 to 5 months to keep the registry/drivers clean.

Oeloe wrote:Omega just released the 2.6.75 version of his drivers, based on the 5.10a Catalysts, BUT he used the old version of the hotfix that doesn't have the OpenGL optimizations. So we'll have to wait a bit for the release of (2.6.75a probably) the Omega's based on the faster drivers.

Ok, 2.6.75a is out now.

I just installed this .exe, but when I click on the catalyst control panel, it says yoiu dont have permission to access the catalyst control panel contact your administrator.

I have administrative rights and full control. What s going on here?

im getting the found new hardware thing popup every startup, anyone else get that with the hotfix?

dubz wrote:im getting the found new hardware thing popup every startup, anyone else get that with the hotfix?

No.
Uninstall drivers. Run Driver Cleaner. Reinstall drivers.

http://www.driverheaven.net/cleaner/

I got that too. Any reason why I cant access the control panel?

Ive done it twice with the ATI uninstaller and then reinstalled.

Its actually the catalyst control center. It says you dont have permission to change the catalyst control center settings.

riddla wrote:f00dl3, give up. We know you're 20 years old from your post in GD and we also see you dont actually know fuckall from your posts in this thread.

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You can update all your software.
You can throw security programs left and right at your computer like someone I know very close. Purchase SpySweeper, Spy Subtract, Ad Subtract, Norton Internet Security Suite, Spyware Doctor, etc... etc... etc..., but until you understand how the software works, it wont do you a shit load of good.

On the other hand, you can keep your system where it is, be "paranoid", know how to use the software you have and where to find open source or freeware solutions - or atleast programs that work such as Grisoft's AVG Anti-Virus Professional edition, and never have a problem - and you may actually learn shit along the way.

It's your choice.

If you don't think I know "fuckall", thats your precious opinion.

I'm just trying to let people know that there are other ways to secure a computer than throwing stuff up it's ass when you dont know how the fuck to use it. Especially when Microsoft is pushing it's DRM-based spyware enterprise.

Tonight I will be drinking alcohol and having pre-marital sex.

What are your plans?

f00dl3 wrote: On the other hand, you can keep your system where it is, be "paranoid", know how to use the software you have and where to find open source or freeware solutions - or atleast programs that work such as Grisoft's AVG Anti-Virus Professional edition, and never have a problem - and you may actually learn shit along the way.

AVG is shit. I've deployed it on a corporate network before and was disgusted with its performance and lack of ability to effectively block or remove trojans. It also performs terribly across a WAN. Keep in mind that this isn't the low-end free version which is always at least a version behind but rather the latest Network Edition with applicable admin tools. After six months of increased support costs for my client, I removed it and rolled out Symantec Enterprise v10. There hasn't been a single problem since, and it has blocked numerous malware installations by clueless users. The previous comment on users brings me to my next point: most people aren't interested in learning the ins and outs of software and have better things to do with their time. This means that badly documented (in most cases) open source software and needing to spend time learning a new product or way of doing things isn't something they are interested in. Learning about tech is something nerds enjoy, not average people.

f00dl3 wrote:
I'm just trying to let people know that there are other ways to secure a computer than throwing stuff up it's ass when you dont know how the fuck to use it. Especially when Microsoft is pushing it's DRM-based spyware enterprise.

Keeping a computer and its software up to date is the single most effective way to secure it. You'll find that all software vendors and anyone who actually works in this field would agree and your opinion is held by the clueless minority.

There you go pushing the baseless DRM claim again and now calling it spyware as well. Would you care to elaborate on this claim because as far as I know it has no basis in reality. The two possible exceptions, which aren't spyware or DRM, are:

1) Error reporting which can be disabled with approximately six clicks of the mouse and doesn't use personal information anyways. It is simply a method for MS to gather information about crash error codes so that they can improve their products. It works on a voting-type system where the more people send reports about a given problem, the higher that problem moves on the list of things to be fixed.

2) Product activation. Again, this uses a one-way hardware hash and no personal information so its a non-trackable way MS can protect the product they spent a fortune developing. The only people with a valid reason for disliking activation are corporate admins and guess what: we don't have to activate because we can use the more cost-effective volume licensing which doesn't require it.

If you take a bit of time and educate yourself on a subject before going off on a tangent you'll look less the fool and who knows, "you may actually learn shit along the way".

Tormentius wrote:

f00dl3 wrote: On the other hand, you can keep your system where it is, be "paranoid", know how to use the software you have and where to find open source or freeware solutions - or atleast programs that work such as Grisoft's AVG Anti-Virus Professional edition, and never have a problem - and you may actually learn shit along the way.

AVG is shit. I've deployed it on a corporate network before and was disgusted with its performance and lack of ability to effectively block or remove trojans. It also performs terribly across a WAN. Keep in mind that this isn't the low-end free version which is always at least a version behind but rather the latest Network Edition with applicable admin tools. After six months of increased support costs for my client, I removed it and rolled out Symantec Enterprise v10. There hasn't been a single problem since, and it has blocked numerous malware installations by clueless users. The previous comment on users brings me to my next point: most people aren't interested in learning the ins and outs of software and have better things to do with their time. This means that badly documented (in most cases) open source software and needing to spend time learning a new product or way of doing things isn't something they are interested in. Learning about tech is something nerds enjoy, not average people.

f00dl3 wrote:
I'm just trying to let people know that there are other ways to secure a computer than throwing stuff up it's ass when you dont know how the fuck to use it. Especially when Microsoft is pushing it's DRM-based spyware enterprise.

Keeping a computer and its software up to date is the single most effective way to secure it. You'll find that all software vendors and anyone who actually works in this field would agree and your opinion is held by the clueless minority.

There you go pushing the baseless DRM claim again and now calling it spyware as well. Would you care to elaborate on this claim because as far as I know it has no basis in reality. The two possible exceptions, which aren't spyware or DRM, are:

1) Error reporting which can be disabled with approximately six clicks of the mouse and doesn't use personal information anyways. It is simply a method for MS to gather information about crash error codes so that they can improve their products. It works on a voting-type system where the more people send reports about a given problem, the higher that problem moves on the list of things to be fixed.

2) Product activation. Again, this uses a one-way hardware hash and no personal information so its a non-trackable way MS can protect the product they spent a fortune developing. The only people with a valid reason for disliking activation are corporate admins and guess what: we don't have to activate because we can use the more cost-effective volume licensing which doesn't require it.

If you take a bit of time and educate yourself on a subject before going off on a tangent you'll look less the fool and who knows, "you may actually learn shit along the way".

1) I am reffering to home users, not corporate users of virus scan software.

2) http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/users/rja14/tcpa-faq.html

f00dl3 wrote:
1) I am reffering to home users, not corporate users of virus scan software.

2) http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/users/rja14/tcpa-faq.html

Why don't you try to back your assertions yourself instead of posting a link and trying to back away from your position?

I'm quite aware you were referring to home users but if a corporate edition of a product is shit, then the home version which is at least one release behind is even moreso. Its pretty logical.


As for the link you've posted if you actually believe 5% of that bullshit I've grossly overestimated your intelligence. That whole document isn't based on anything close to fact and is one big paranoid delusion dreamed up by some tinfoil-hat wearing wanker.
Trusted Computing and Palladium are two very different things. Trusted Computing is MS' commitment to finally getting off their ass and focusing on writing more secure code. Its about making security part of their development lifecycle, which wasn't the case before.

Palladium, on the other hand, is a consumer oriented technology which isn't close to being completed let alone implemented. When it is done it will enable YOU, the consumer, more control over what is done with your documents and email, who has what levels of access to your files, increased security for your user information and passwords, etc, etc. Microsoft or any other company would be breaking the law if they remotely uninstalled an application from your system, illegal or not so to think that some evil empire will rise up and crush the freedom of millions simply because of an encryption chip is ludicrous. Corporations have to follow the same laws about collecting data and accessing networks remotely as the rest of us. The real kicker to Palladium that destroys your sources argument is that it is completely voluntary. You can choose to enable or disable it or choose to enable it for only certain purposes and not others. It will be completely in the hands of the consumer.

corpse wrote:I got that too. Any reason why I cant access the control panel?

Ive done it twice with the ATI uninstaller and then reinstalled.

Its actually the catalyst control center. It says you dont have permission to change the catalyst control center settings.

foodl3: stop while you are ahead. Tormentius is right and much more knowledgable than you.



Back to the thread for just a second. Can someone spread some light on my problem PLEASE?

corpse wrote:

corpse wrote:I got that too. Any reason why I cant access the control panel?

Ive done it twice with the ATI uninstaller and then reinstalled.

Its actually the catalyst control center. It says you dont have permission to change the catalyst control center settings.

foodl3: stop while you are ahead. Tormentius is right and much more knowledgable than you.



Back to the thread for just a second. Can someone spread some light on my problem PLEASE?

Heh.

Just to confirm, you're logging in using an administrator-level account (doublecheck this) and have uninstalled the control centre and drivers, rebooted, and reinstalled them (rebooting again after that)?

Yes sir.

First, I uninstalled the ATI stuff using the ATI uninstall utility. Then I ran the catuninstaller, just to be sure.

Then I double clicked the hotfix_xp-2k_dd_ccc_027483a.exe

Followed the prompts and installed. Gave me this message about not having right to change catalyst control center when I tried to open the shortcut it put on the desktop.

Uninstalled and re-installed and tried again. Same thing.

I did reboot each time and I do have administrative rights.

XP Pro, SP2.



Foodl3: Stay off of my thread and go to R&R, please.

corpse wrote:Yes sir.

First, I uninstalled the ATI stuff using the ATI uninstall utility. Then I ran the catuninstaller, just to be sure.

Then I double clicked the hotfix_xp-2k_dd_ccc_027483a.exe

Followed the prompts and installed. Gave me this message about not having right to change catalyst control center when I tried to open the shortcut it put on the desktop.

Uninstalled and re-installed and tried again. Same thing.

I did reboot each time and I do have administrative rights.

XP Pro, SP2.



Foodl3: Stay off of my thread and go to R&R, please.

if you don't want to use the CCC for this driver set simply delete the ACE(iirc)folder then add the CP folder from the old 5.10's.

install as usuall.

Tormentius wrote:

f00dl3 wrote:
1) I am reffering to home users, not corporate users of virus scan software.

2) http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/users/rja14/tcpa-faq.html

Why don't you try to back your assertions yourself instead of posting a link and trying to back away from your position?

I'm quite aware you were referring to home users but if a corporate edition of a product is shit, then the home version which is at least one release behind is even moreso. Its pretty logical.


As for the link you've posted if you actually believe 5% of that bullshit I've grossly overestimated your intelligence. That whole document isn't based on anything close to fact and is one big paranoid delusion dreamed up by some tinfoil-hat wearing wanker.
Trusted Computing and Palladium are two very different things. Trusted Computing is MS' commitment to finally getting off their ass and focusing on writing more secure code. Its about making security part of their development lifecycle, which wasn't the case before.

Palladium, on the other hand, is a consumer oriented technology which isn't close to being completed let alone implemented. When it is done it will enable YOU, the consumer, more control over what is done with your documents and email, who has what levels of access to your files, increased security for your user information and passwords, etc, etc. Microsoft or any other company would be breaking the law if they remotely uninstalled an application from your system, illegal or not so to think that some evil empire will rise up and crush the freedom of millions simply because of an encryption chip is ludicrous. Corporations have to follow the same laws about collecting data and accessing networks remotely as the rest of us. The real kicker to Palladium that destroys your sources argument is that it is completely voluntary. You can choose to enable or disable it or choose to enable it for only certain purposes and not others. It will be completely in the hands of the consumer.

Can you point me to the information (URLs), so I may read up on what you say is the actual truth to the matter?

f00dl3 wrote:Can you point me to the information (URLs), so I may read up on what you say is the actual truth to the matter?

Why don't you just think it through logically. Does it honestly make sense to you that the largest computer and software manufacturers in the world have some secret conspiracy to crush all freedom or does it seem a little more realistic that they want to extend security so that people keep buying their hardware and software? I mean, we aren't talking about just MS here: AMD, Intel, Microsoft, Sun, IBM, HP, and a ton of othersare part of this.

If you want to research the technologies and vendors participating in the project you can get the information sans paranoid delusions here.

Note: DRM discussion moved to different thread due to request.

http://www.quake3world.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12712

Its not that I dont want to use these files, its just that it wont let me into the control center when done.



FOOdl3: I just realized that it is you who is asking in T&T how to destroy cds with sensitive data.

First: Put them into your cd burner.

Second: Fill them with all the bullshit in this thread.

Now anyone looking at them will either fall asleep reading them, or realize they are filled with horseshit and throw them away.

Have a nice day.

try different driver version and see if that problem comes up ..if it doesn't then wait till the drivers are fixed
log in as adminstartor if not done so,not just a user with admin rights

Yes, I just installed the 5.10's and it worked fine. Control panel is there and I can access as usual.