tnf wrote:I don't need to clarify shit. Show me the countless competitions he's 'won' - don't redefine what it means to win. Winning is getting 1st place - and that's not just winning by my standards.
I didn't say Ruhl wasn't a freak - he is. But he's not a freak that wins much.
You do need to clarify a statement like "he never wins" when what you mean is "he never wins aside from all the years he spent as an amateur and not including the years from 2000 to 2002".
Take every single pro doing the rounds on the circuit today and for the last 5 years, minus any wins he won as an amateur, then don't count the years from 2000 to 2002 and tell me how many of them have regularly won the big shows. Absolutely none besides Ronnie Coleman. Even if you count the years 2000 to 2002 you'll get the same result.
It's the nature of bodybuilding. You can't discount any of the pros because they "don't regularly win the big shows". Especially when you provide such a small criteria for victory.
I mean that in his years as a pro he has won twice. Perhaps I should say he rarely wins. My criteria for winning a pro show is to get first place. I don't consider Ruhl, as freaky as he is, to be in the upper echelon of the bodybuilding greats.
My criteria for winning a pro show still stands - getting first place.
And I don't count amatuer shows - expect maybe the nationals or the big ones like that.
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tnf wrote:I don't need to clarify shit. Show me the countless competitions he's 'won' - don't redefine what it means to win. Winning is getting 1st place - and that's not just winning by my standards.
I didn't say Ruhl wasn't a freak - he is. But he's not a freak that wins much.
You do need to clarify a statement like "he never wins" when what you mean is "he never wins aside from all the years he spent as an amateur and not including the years from 2000 to 2002".
Take every single pro doing the rounds on the circuit today and for the last 5 years, minus any wins he won as an amateur, then don't count the years from 2000 to 2002 and tell me how many of them have regularly won the big shows. Absolutely none besides Ronnie Coleman. Even if you count the years 2000 to 2002 you'll get the same result.
It's the nature of bodybuilding. You can't discount any of the pros because they "don't regularly win the big shows". Especially when you provide such a small criteria for victory.
I mean that in his years as a pro he has won twice. Perhaps I should say he rarely wins. My criteria for winning a pro show is to get first place. I don't consider Ruhl, as freaky as he is, to be in the upper echelon of the bodybuilding greats.
My criteria for winning a pro show still stands - getting first place.
And I don't count amatuer shows - expect maybe the nationals or the big ones like that.
I'm not trying to argue with you, I do understand what you mean now. It did need some clarification though.