Bush commutes Libby's prison term

Post by **Ryoki** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 2:38 pm

bikkeldesnikkel wrote:I don't agree at all. It's not about the politicians to begin with. Politicians are merely employees (at least, they should be). It's about the psychological and katalisizyizing(whut?sp?) effect on the rest of the U.S. residents and the rest of the world. There's a great deal of discontent for the U.S. in the western world, all waiting for some sign that Americans themselves are as fed up with this crap as they are.

Besides it's retarted not to even try. The fuck is a one-day march worth compared to the destruction of a nation?

Nixon's defense against mass protests were always along the lines of 'but the silent majority agrees with me'... it took many many years of filthy hippy protesting and tens of thousands of American dead soldiers to get some result. The Bush administration with their track record of unbelievable arrogance will most likely not even bother with Nixionian excuses, i think, they'll just ignore it until it goes away.

I'm just sceptical at the results, and can imagine why people would dismiss with the idea altogether. A strike of some sort like GKY suggested would probably make more of an impression.

But yes - why not try. It gives a sign to their fellow countrymen, the world and the administration. And i met my ex at a protest rally, so you meet new exciting people too ey

As for the idea that politicians are the employees of the people - that's how it started, but that's not how it works anymore. The system is fucked and corrupted to the core. At least our yankee friends have a beautiful document that offers alternatives to protests and strikes when it comes to getting rid of your leaders, i really wish we had one.

Post by **bikkeldesnikkel** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 2:45 pm

The problem includes everyone not trying to do something about it... the silent majority. At least protest even if it's to see how many people are with you. Too litte? Get the fuck out. Plentiful? Glood, you might stand to make a change.

Post by **4days** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 2:49 pm

Nightshade wrote:The only way any of this will change is if we start mass boycotts of products made by the douchebags that hold the giant bags of money.

aye. boycotting is one of the only remaining effective forms of non-violent protest.

i still go to protests if i believe in the issue, but i haven't felt like they really change anything for a long time. that day of global protesting against the war didn't change anything - and that was the biggest demo in human history.

another issue over here is that we have laws affecting protesters and how they can be treated. a lot of people are nervous about protesting at all. the last time i got arrested was under the terrorism act - TERRORISM, for handing out paper masks.

violent protest isn't much better than regular demonstrating - for every tiny step you take, they take a massive one and introduce a new law.

Post by **Nightshade** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 2:56 pm

bikkeldesnikkel wrote:
Nightshade wrote:
bikkeldesnikkel wrote: Wow thats stupid. You don't think mass-protests would have any effect? You don't think the rest of the world would notice? don't think likeminded others would notice and protest aswell?

Either you do something now, or you'll have to leave the country in a noticable amount of time, agree? Or you think some fairy will use her magic fairy dust to sprinkle away all this nonsense? Plus you come across as a total pussy for taking this crap up the ass.
Go fuck yourself you overly idealistic cunthead. I'm sorry you're too fucking dumb to realize the way things actually work. You're the one that's on the fairy dust if you think that idiots yelling in the streets have any substantive effect on government policies.
Christ, how fucking old are you?
lol. Me idealistic? Hell no. If you think it's idealistic to protest, just protest for an issue as big as this, you're a fucking idiot. I'm a young twat, just 22. Don't see what that has to do with it though, your arguments against protesting (in this fucked up situation) are stupid, that's what counts. Haven't protested even once in my life btw.

Your stance precisely represents what's wrong with the U.S. residents as a whole, apathetic. Let me ask you this, what are you going to do if it gets even worse? (it's already fucked up beyond recognition (you can correct me if i'm wrong on this), the fact that you don't see that amazes me.)

Playing down protesting like this is fucking retarted aswell. You really think millions of people protesting will go unnoticed and affect no change what so ever? Again, spare me the crap about the politicians, its not about the fucking politicians.

You have the reading comprehension skills of a cantaloupe.

Post by **bikkeldesnikkel** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 2:58 pm

Okay. You're a pussy.

Post by **Nightshade** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 3:10 pm

You're a moron that can't grasp simple ideas when presented in written format. How does this make me a pussy?

Post by **werldhed** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 3:29 pm

NS is right. It's not about the public being apathetic... it's about understanding that protesting won't do a goddamn thing with this administration.

Like 4days said, do you remember the protests against the Iraq war? IIRC, they were something like the largest protests ever, at least in the US. And people all over the world protested too...

Did that stop Bush from starting a fucked up and illegal war? Nope, because this administration doesn't give a fuck about what you think.

Post by **Ryoki** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 3:33 pm

Nightshade wrote:cantaloupe.

Do you mean the variety of melon, Cucumis melo cantalupensis of the gourd family, with a hard scaly or warty rind, grown in Europe, Asia, and the United States?

Or perhaps a muskmelon with a reticulated rind and pale-orange flesh?

Post by **Ryoki** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 3:35 pm

Also: okay, say we forget about the protests because we agree they won't make an impression. Even then there are quite a few ways of getting the crazies out of office and into jail, where they belong. What about all the other points brought forward: strikes, boycotts, revolution?

Post by **Mogul** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 3:43 pm

You are all fucking dumb dicks. Burn in hell, cuntbags.

Post by **Grudge** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 3:44 pm

Gee look, it's Captain Conservative!

Post by **Mogul** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 3:47 pm

O'Reilly

Post by **Nightshade** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:13 pm

werldhed wrote:NS is right. It's not about the public being apathetic... it's about understanding that protesting won't do a goddamn thing with this administration.

Like 4days said, do you remember the protests against the Iraq war? IIRC, they were something like the largest protests ever, at least in the US. And people all over the world protested too...

Did that stop Bush from starting a fucked up and illegal war? Nope, because this administration doesn't give a fuck about what you think.

DING! I'm all in favor of doing something, but I'd rather try to do something that made a difference.

(and for fuck's sake, if I was apathetic, would I have posted this fucking topic? Yeah, I'm looking at you, tikkelsomeguyspikkel.)

Post by **HM-PuFFNSTuFF** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:31 pm

Mogul wrote:You are all fucking dumb dicks. Burn in hell, cuntbags.

Post by **tnf** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:53 pm

Protesting wouldn't do anything here.

The guys in charge just need to die. There a few people whose death would bring a smile to my face, and I hate to say that, because I've always tried to be at least forgiving and understanding enough to not feel that way about anyone's death, but I've been driven to levels of hate I didn't know I was capable of by them. I guess that means I'm letting the them win by letting them get me to hate them that much.

Oh well.

And I'm sure I'm not the only one here who cannot even stand 1 second of Bush or Cheney on the TV.

Post by **Ryoki** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 5:10 pm

Mogul wrote:You are all fucking dumb dicks. Burn in hell, cuntbags.

What exactly do you disagree with, then..?

Post by **menkent** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 5:12 pm

there are no protests because 70% of americans already thought bush was a twat. the commutation, and this is why bush did it, changes nothing.

Post by **Mogul** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 5:12 pm

People are too mean on the interweb.

Post by **HM-PuFFNSTuFF** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 5:29 pm

what about congress?

Post by **Mogul** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 5:31 pm

Congress is not being mean on the interweb.

Post by **Hannibal** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 5:33 pm

tnf wrote: Protesting wouldn't do anything here.

The guys in charge just need to die.

Post by **bikkeldesnikkel** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 5:38 pm

Goddamn what a sad stance you all have, completely demoralized. Protests won't do any good, right. Really, all you can come up with, is it hasn't worked before. You insane? If no one would have protested in history not much would have changed, or do you think all the changes for the good happened in spite of the protesting? Imo, protesting is pretty much all you can do right now. Besides going down in a blaze of glory that is.

This is something everyone should come out on the streets for. every, last, single, one should come out and protest or do their best to change the minds of the people. All you're doing now is hoping the situation will change for the good whilst doing nothing.

Nightshade wrote:DING! I'm all in favor of doing something, but I'd rather try to do something that made a difference.

Don't you think it's time (or even way past due) for action? If you really see no use in protesting, then what do you want to do? If you're at a loss, which you must be since you're not actively trying to change the situation, don't you think trying to gather morality in the country and consciousness-raising would help even a bit?

I just don't get the opposition towards protesting here. Protesting has proven to be a positive influence in history, has it not? Besides, I haven't noticed much protesting against the Iraq war, how big were they exactly?

(and for fuck's sake, if I was apathetic, would I have posted this fucking topic? Yeah, I'm looking at you, tikkelsomeguyspikkel.)

Yeah, posting that you're not actively doing something about the situation does come across as apathetic, especially given the situation the U.S. is in.

I call total fucking bullshit on the people saying protesting wouldn't do a thing. Prove to me that consciousness-raising and voicing your opinion doesn't make a difference. I agree that protesting isn't very powerful (in very large numbers it is tho), but it does make an influence, especially in large numbers.

Obviously the average U.S. resident doesn't have the mental make-up for protesting and that's more the problem than protesting itself.

My point was, because the average mindset of U.S. residents on this board came across as very sane and not taking bullshit, I couldn't grasp why no one either moved out of the country or started protesting. Seems to me you don't know what to do and therefore do nothing. Correct?

Post by **bikkeldesnikkel** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 5:46 pm

But really, none of you think this has gone way, way overboard?

Post by **4days** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 6:04 pm

had gotten halfway through a rambling reply about the action that a lot of people are taking in the states, but then i scanned over your post again and realised i'd missed this bit:

bikkeldesnikkel wrote:Besides, I haven't noticed much protesting against the Iraq war, how big were they exactly?

you're talking through your hat, mate. stop shaking that tiny little fist at your monitor and go back to sleep.

Post by **bikkeldesnikkel** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 6:10 pm

A lot of people, but not enough. I was wondering why none of the people here were taking any action.

Why should I have to know how big the Iraq war protests were? Protests are not an interest of mine. I've seen some on the news, but I don't know any numbers.

It's true though, I am talking through my hat, it's merely that with the cumulation of events even a retard could be confident in speaking out against this crap.