The Kennedy assassination

[R00k]

To be perfectly honest, all I need in order to be highly skeptical of the JFK shooting is the Zapruder film and my own brain. I've fired enough firearms in my time to have an idea of the results of an impact.

According to a completely accidental recording of the events, it looks like someone shot him from behind, didn't quite finish the job, then someone shot him from the front, and did. If someone can convince me that three shots from behind is capable of producing the effect I saw with my own eyes (on a video, granted), then I would never have had any reason to be skeptical to begin with, and probably wouldn't be skeptical now. i.e. I never would have questioned any of it to begin with.

[losCHUNK]

shot to death outside hyper value by michael caine

[scared?]

by lucien sarti and howard hunt...case closed...jesus...old news...

http://www.saintjohnhunt.com/testament.html

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/st ... oward_hunt

[Nightshade]

So, another theory. Interesting read, but I have to question one thing: Hunt wrote his autobiography and there was nothing to do with the assassination in it, yet he explained all of this stuff to his meth addict/dealer son? St. John claims he has copies of the memos that his father wrote, anyone seen them?

[scared?]

lol things too hard to comprehend moron?...

[Nightshade]

lol too eager to believe any crackpot bullshit you read on the internet, moron?

[Doombrain]

i hear fox mulder's dad worked with @liens

[Dr_Watson]

All right people, I'm interested to know just how many of you think that Oswald killed JFK, or if you subscribe to one of the many conspiracy theories regarding the assassination. e.g. CIA did it, mafia did it, defense/industrial complex did it, anti-Castro Cubans did it, etc. Or if you're geoof, jews from space did it to prevent Americans from landing on the moon and recovering Hitler's freeze-dried brain.
Whatever your thoughts, please explain if you can on what you base this belief. This is driven by the book that I'm reading, in which the author makes some interesting statements about widely held beliefs regarding JFK.

ok

I'm quite certain that Oswald was a USMC trained sharpshooter who shot JFK from an open window in the book depository. Anything else requires a tinfoil hat.

[Peenyuh]

Colonel Mustard, in the Den, with the candlestick.

[SoM]

i hear fox mulder's dad worked with @liens

[Dr_Watson]

I'll read the book, but do you think those things you mentioned - "supposedly pristine bullet that was found on Kennedy's stretcher, the autopsy, the grassy knoll, etc." - will be explained reasonably? If so, then the book will be a bit more than interesting.

Watch Me

[+JuggerNaut+]

Colonel Mustard, in the Den, with the candlestick.

lol

[Dr_Watson]

As I said, looking at the footage and knowing what I do about ballistics, it seems completely illogical to me to think that that wound would be caused by a bullet entering the back of his head.

wtf are you guys talking about??? Are you confusing the wound on his neck caused by a high velocity round that never hit bone and remained intact with the kill-shot to the head?

I've never seen the autopsy photos... but if the giant spray of blood and flesh coming off of his face in the Zapruder film isn't a clue that he had a big fat exit hole on his face, you're not living in the same universe as the rest of us.

if that isn't enough... how about some sworn testimony from an ME

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/m_j_russ/hscabadn.htm

TESTIMONY OF DR. MICHAEL BADEN, PATHOLOGIST AND CHIEF MEDICAL EXAMINER FOR THE CITY OF NEW YORK

Dr. BADEN - Yes; I think Miss Hess is putting up a diagram that we have not used. May I address that please? Thank you. Because of pressure of time this morning we didn't include all of the materials that might have clarified some issues you are raising, sir. This diagram is to illustrate the beveling concept that I referred to this morning, which was of great importance to us in working out the direction of the bullet wounds in the head and in interpreting the bullet wounds. A bullet entering a bone, like a BB or bullet entering a thick plate glass window, will create lines of force and fractures in the bone or the glass, radiating outward from the point of entrance; a bevel or a concavity will occur in the bone or glass consequent to these fracture lines in the direction in which the missile is going. Thus, a bullet entering the skull will cause beveling on the inside of the bone. The skull bone consists of an outer plate and inner plate. Coming in from the outside, the bullet will cause a small round sharp edged hole of the outer table and a concavity or beveling of the inner table, a circumferential defect. Going out, the bullet will cause beveling on the outside of the bone. This is of great assistance to the forensic pathologist in determining which way the bullet is going. Clearly the perforation in the right front side of the head near the suture line, where the two bones joined, as I referred to earlier, had this type of outer bone beveling, which did match up with the separately received triangular bone fragment, indicating that it was the site of an exit perforation. Do you have that blowup of the X-ray showing the three bone fragments? Thank you. That same beveling was present on one of the fragments of bone found in the car. This fragment of bone found in the car, in the limousine, and brought up to Dr. Humes and his collegues while they were doing the autopsy, proved to be of value in that one showed a margin of beveling on the outer surface, which permitted the doctors at that time to state there was a bullet wound of exit in the right front head region. It shows some pieces of metal deposited in the area of the beveling. The autopsy doctors also describe in their protocol the entrance wound in the back of the head with beveling of the inner table and an exit wound in the front with beveling of the outer table. This is consistent with what we could see on the negatives and on the photographs of both wounds, and permits us to give the direction of the track.

The most interesting thing i've gotten from this thread is that I had no idea the ME from HBO's "Autopsy" show was so famous.

[Nightshade]

That's not coming off his face Doc, it's off the back of his head.

[Dr_Watson]

step through the next 5 or 6 frames and keep telling me that.

[Nightshade]

I've watched the film many times, and I've seen the autopsy photos. It's NOT coming from his face, the top right side of his head was blown away.

[Dr_Watson]

Now i'm even more confused as to wtf the big discussion earlier about a small exit wound was all about?

if the whole top right side of his head was blown away, why are you saying that all this blood is from the back of his head?

Why also if he was shot from the front and the back of the head is the supposed exit wound (which it isn't) would all of the spray from the back of his head be going the wrong way? (I was under the impression that the gore coming out the exit hole tends to spray in the direction of the bullet, but then i've never shot anyone)

oh and just to clarify; by his face i meant the front of his head (seeing as how your "face" goes from hairline to chin-line), not like it was coming out of his nose or some retarded shit like that.

[scared?]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E66__vymfPA

it's obvious...unless ur a moron...

[Dr_Watson]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E66__vymfPA

it's obvious...unless ur a moron...

what's obvious?... unless you don't know how to express yourself in complete thoughts.
(and your youtube is pointless, i already linked a frame-by-frame)

[losCHUNK]

[lvlshot]http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/dox2big.jpg[/lvlshot]

[GONNAFISTYA]

I'm sure Kracus could split his head more than that with a lead pipe. Cause he's hard like that.

[Nightshade]

Now i'm even more confused as to wtf the big discussion earlier about a small exit wound was all about?

if the whole top right side of his head was blown away, why are you saying that all this blood is from the back of his head?

Why also if he was shot from the front and the back of the head is the supposed exit wound (which it isn't) would all of the spray from the back of his head be going the wrong way? (I was under the impression that the gore coming out the exit hole tends to spray in the direction of the bullet, but then i've never shot anyone)

oh and just to clarify; by his face i meant the front of his head (seeing as how your "face" goes from hairline to chin-line), not like it was coming out of his nose or some retarded shit like that.

I'll admit that the autopsy pictures of the head are inconclusive, it's a big mess, but you can see all the missing skull is in the rear upper-right portion. What I find interesting and makes me question which side is the exit is the forensic proof of beveling of the skull caused by the bullet. I'd never heard anything about this before and it can make a convincing case for a rear shot. What still doesn't jive is the movement of Kennedy's head after the impact. Fuck trying to find anything reputable on the net, it's all geoof-type bullshit. I was just reading one nutjob's ABSOLUTE FACTS about the limo driver being the shooter. His 'evidence' was a riot.

[Nightshade]

Watching the film and seeing that reconstruction of the supposed bullet path, I suppose it is possible that the force generated would push Kennedy's head to his left side.

[xer0s]

Nightshade, think about it this way. The upper right portion of his skull was blown out. Now when something gets blown one way, the other piece goes the other way. Take a balloon for example. Fill up a balloon and hold the the tip, don't tie it. Now let it go. The air that is forced out pushes the balloon the other way. So all his brains and skull that was forced outward pushed the rest of his head the other direction.

[Nightshade]

Miss my last post, did you?