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Ah yes, also that. The stand your ground law is pretty much a licence to kill whenever there's no witnesses around. As long as you can argue you were attacked by your victim, you can kill anyone you like and claim it was self defence. The outcome of this trail shows that the argument doesn't even have to be remotely believable in order to get an aquittal.

Trail, eh?

What I meant to say was if he was released of his charges based on evidence that supported his claims of innocence or was he released due to there simply not being enough evidence to convict him. I guess the latter is the case, so it may not be a case of the jury making really odd judgments or such.

It's been suggested before that this trial may send out the message of it being OK to murder someone, but if the jury simply couldn't convict him due to a lack of evidence, then that's just how law works.

If things are as you state, then yes, it's the prosecution's fault for not doing their job properly (either intentionally or not, I guess that's the real question most people have here).

Eraser wrote:Trail, eh?

Hah, oops... it's monday, it's early and i've yet to drain my second coffee

Eraser wrote:What I meant to say was if he was released of his charges based on evidence that supported his claims of innocence or was he released due to there simply not being enough evidence to convict him. I guess the latter is the case, so it may not be a case of the jury making really odd judgments or such.

Ah, i see. Don't know, a mix of both would be my guess. Haven't really followed it closely to be honest. And what Feedback said, there's a real stupid law in place that allowed him to do exactly this. Which is what made this a media circus, this Zimmerman fucker is so obviously guilty even gramps can see it.

Read a little more about the trial just now… what baffles me is that the narrative of the TM attacking GM was sold so succesfully. You have to be out of your goddamn mind to think that a scrawny 17 year old kid can succesfully fight a grown ass man twice his weight that has had training in punching people.

Aside from the glaringly uneven fight it's also a highly unlikely scenario because none of GZ’s DNA was recovered from TM – which seems like a fairly impossible feat if you beat the hell out of someone. Also, GZ was on Adderal, which is basically speed. Also, the jury consisted of 5 white women? Yeah, the prosecution should have fought that just as hard and succesfully as the prosecution in the Rodney King case fought the jury consisting of 5 white males.

This is just completely wrong... lol at the people appealing for calm, if i were a black person in Florida i'd sure know what i'd be doing today.

lol america?

George Zimmerman's attorneys have deposed a key state witness, Mary Cutcher, who didn't see Zimmerman kill teenager Trayvon Martin but told authorities she heard the gunshot, then saw a man standing over Trayvon Martin's body, straddling it and appearing to press down on him....

...That witness later told investigators she couldn't see the struggle that preceded the shot, because it was "pitch black out."

Cutcher told Sanford police detectives March 2 that she did not see what happened before Trayvon was shot but heard a struggle and screams from "a little kid."

Someone was "whining," she said. "Someone was struggling, in trouble, hurting. … I think the kid was running for help."

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/201 ... ry-cutcher

She mentioned that the screams stopped after the gunshot in the crapper article I found n all =/

Kinda contradicts what Zimmerman said about being down on the floor when TM was reaching for his gun.

Yep useless witness.

Ryoki wrote: if i were a black person in Florida i'd sure know what i'd be doing today.

Why do you have to be black to protest?

cos you'd have all the time in the world, being unemployed n all.

It's the media that's playing the racism game, you couldn't blame some people for believing it given the controversies surrounding the case though.

Reddit got something on the front page about how he stuck up for civil rights in a police cover up when they beat up a black man

http://tampa.cbslocal.com/2012/05/23/zi ... e-officer/

comments mention he has black roots n all, I don't think there's anything to suggest that it's racially motivated though but you gotta blame something other than guns and stupid laws, right ?

MKJ wrote:cos you'd have all the time in the world, being unemployed n all.

That's terrible of you to say...

What, didn't he use enough smileys for you to understand the sarcasm there?

Didn't I use enough?

Do you have an opinion of your own that you overheard at best buy that you are willing to type up or are you just going to lazily troll by way of asking stupid questions?

Ryoki, did you mean to imply that black people should be rioting because of this? Because that's how you came across.

I don't want to live on this planet anymore...

Ryoki wrote:Do you have an opinion of your own that you overheard at best buy that you are willing to type up or are you just going to lazily troll by way of asking stupid questions?

No not really. Before the trial I was certain that Zimmerman was an idiot and he would be convicted of 2nd degree murder. But after listening to almost the entire trial (I listen to the radio throughout the day and found the trial interesting) and hearing the prosecution and defense, I agree completely with the jury. According to what was presented in court, there was no law broken (wether you agree with the law or not). I'd be interested to know how many of you actually listened or watched the majority of trial and heard exactly what the prosecution and defense had to say.

The reason I don't get involved in these discussions on here is because of the pretentious attitudes of several of you...

xer0s on a high horse

You must've missed the part where Ryo pointed out the law which allowed him to do this ?.

Most of us are just pointing out how stupid this case was wether it was within the realms of the law or not. When you get down to basics your basically allowed to defend yourself with a gun in a fistfight.

I don't think it was n all because you would have to believe Zimmermans statement over circumstantial evidence that it was him that was acting in self defence, but if the law says 'whoever wins the one sided shootout is to be believed' then I stand corrected.

I'll make it easier for you seeing as you listened to the case attentively and managed to form an opinion, what evidence was there that pointed to Zimmerman being the victim ?, that would be a good start.

There's plenty, I mentioned a page back about the forensic experts saying the gunshot was at an upwards angle (contradicting the witness statement I posted above) and Zimmerman has witness testimonies supporting him, which are just as ropey as the same statement imo and no one said that Trayvon was reaching for his gun.

You can't just turn around and say 'I win' without raising your arguments by assuming everyone hasn't done their homework.

The sentiment among protesters is that America is now a country where it's OK for (pseudo-)whites to shoot blacks. And they want Zimmerman to be white so bad, even though he's about as white as Barack Obama.

And it would hold water if there was some kind of epidemic going on where blacks get shot by whites all the time.
But if that were indeed the case, this particular incident wouldn't have gotten this much attention. Because it really doesn't happen that often.

The reality is blacks get shot by blacks all the time. That's a complicated problem and difficult to deal with.
It's easy to single out incidents where the victim is black and the shooter is "white" and then put a big racism stamp on it.
I'd like to see protests against black on black violence, about how the black community gets victimised, and what needs to be done.

xer0s wrote:The reason I don't get involved in these discussions on here is because of the pretentious attitudes of several of you...

lol

In this case your interpretation of "pretentious" means someone having an actual opinion that wasn't given to them.

Plan B wrote:The sentiment among protesters is that America is now a country where it's OK for (pseudo-)whites to shoot blacks. And they want Zimmerman to be white so bad, even though he's about as white as Barack Obama.

And it would hold water if there was some kind of epidemic going on where blacks get shot by whites all the time.
But if that were indeed the case, this particular incident wouldn't have gotten this much attention. Because it really doesn't happen that often.

The reality is blacks get shot by blacks all the time. That's a complicated problem and difficult to deal with.
It's easy to single out incidents where the victim is black and the shooter is "white" and then put a big racism stamp on it.
I'd like to see protests against black on black violence, about how the black community gets victimised, and what needs to be done.

I think the racism thing is media driven. It does give the impression that if you have a fist fight and the other guy has a gun then you're fucked.

I know it's early and shit, but I honestly can't wait to see what Southpark does with this.

I haven't followed this at all.. someone point me to who or what i should be furious about.

Nothing to be furious about really. And unfortunately nothing surprising, either.

All you can do is look at the verdict and shake your head that some exceedingly stupid people put a law on the books that allowed this twisted joke of right and wrong to occur.

"HE'S COMIN' RIGHT FOR US!!!"

BANG! (Now justified in a court of law...just replace "bear" or "animal" with "anyone who looks at you funny and threatens your penis size")

Source: some guy on Reddit

CARTMAN comes running up to the bus stop, where STAN, KYLE, and KENNY have been discussing Game of Thrones.

CARTMAN: You guys! You guys! Seriously! You're not going to believe it! You guys!

KYLE: What is it, fatass?

CARTMAN: You guys! Listen! Killing black people is totally legal now!

(There is a pause while this sinks in.)

STAN: Cartman, what the fuck are you talking about?!

CARTMAN: I heard it on the news! It's totally okay to kill black people now!

KYLE: What did you hear on the news?

KENNY: Mm-mmf-mm mmm-mmm-mm mmm mm!

STAN: Seriously, Cartman, that just sounds like one of your messed up, racist dreams!

CARTMAN: No, it's real! There's this guy named George Zimmerman, and he totally hunts black people! He killed a black kid named Tray-von Mar-tin, and the courts told him it was okay!

KYLE: That's not what happened, dickwad!

CARTMAN: Shut up, you stupid Jew! How would you know? Jews can't even own guns!

KYLE: Yes we can, fatass!

(TOKEN arrives at the bus stop.)

TOKEN: Hey, guys, what's up?

STAN: Token? What are you doing here? Don't your parents have a chauffeur or something for you?

TOKEN: Yeah, but he's on vacation. I'm stuck riding the bus for a week.

KYLE: ... But don't you live on the other side of town?

TOKEN: For some reason, the bus doesn't stop near my house. I had to take a taxi over here!

CARTMAN: (Interrupting.) Um... Tooookeeeen? Um... are you woooorrieeeed that someone's going to kiiiiiill yooooooou?

TOKEN: What?!

KYLE: Shut up, Cartman! It is not legal to kill black people!

TOKEN: What the hell are you guys talking about?

STAN: Cartman saw the outcome of the Zimmerman trial, and now he thinks it's okay to kill black people.

KENNY: Mmm. Mmm mmm mmm-mmm-mmf mmm mm!

TOKEN: What? That's not what the trial was about!

CARTMAN: Psh. You would say that, Token. You're black.

KYLE: That has nothing to do with it, Cartman!

CARTMAN: Oh yeah?! (He points an accusing finger at Kyle.) How about you shut your Jew mouth before I jam a pistol down your throat?

TOKEN: You have a gun?!

STAN: No, he doesn't.

CARTMAN: Wait. Token! You have a gun! Give it to me!

TOKEN: No I don't!

CARTMAN: Token, you're black, you have a fucking gun!

TOKEN: That does it, I'm taking the taxi to school!

(TOKEN leaves.)

KYLE: Nice going, fatass!

CARTMAN: Oh, you are so lucky he didn't give me his gun!

STAN: Token doesn't have a gun! Not all black people carry guns! That's racist, Cartman!

CARTMAN: Oh yeah? Well, if... black people... if they don't carry guns... Travyon Martin attacked George Zimmerman!

KYLE: What does that have to do with anything?!

CARTMAN: Duh! It's why hunting black people is legal now!

STAN: Jesus, Cartman, this is messed up, even for you!

CARTMAN: I'm not the one who said it!

KYLE: Yes, you are! There is no way that anyone would go on national television and say that it's legal to hunt black people!

CARTMAN: Shows what you know, you stupid Jew! It just so happens that someone did go on national television and say that it was legal to hunt black people.

KENNY: Mmf?

CARTMAN: His name was Al Sharpton.

STAN: Jesus Christ...

CARTMAN: HEY! You know what? I'm going to prove it! I'm going to get on the phone to Al Sharpton and tell him to come to South Park.

KYLE: Al Sharpton wouldn't come to South Park, dipshit.

CARTMAN: Oh, he will... I'll make him an offer... he can't refuse...