Lots of people do that training. Do you need it to purchase a gun? No. Should you? Yes.[/quote]+JuggerNaut+ wrote:
Who is doing this training? You sure as hell don't need it to buy a gun.
It's bizarre for a lot of Americans too, really depends on where you live. When I was a kid we never even bothered locking the doors, we knew we didn't need to worry. When I lived in Memphis? Jesus Christ, after the crackhead tried to shoulder down the door I went and bought a fully automatic Rottweiler. Prior to that, when I lived in Florida and all those home invasions were happening, I owned a Glock 19.LawL wrote:Home security for me means keeping the windows and doors locked. The thought of needing a gun for home security is pretty bizarre to an Australian.
It's gravy, I know a lot of what I say is tounge in cheek but I try to keep some seriousness about itNightshade wrote:lol @ "paedo traps"losCHUNK wrote:
I may or not reply to your next post if you chose to reply mind, know it stinks of ignorance but this dragging now no ?
Look man, I think the cultural gaps are too wide for any sort of true understanding here, so agree to disagree for the most part.
I'm not Homer Simpson, but guns are tools. No, their intended use isn't anything other than killing when you get down to it. Not going to debate the car analogy further, I'm not saying guns and cars are identical, let's just leave it.
I agree that there are cases where guns wouldn't help. I was held up by a guy with an Uzi when I was 16. If I'd had a gun and for it (like an idiot), I'd be dead. Guns won't help every situation, but there are cases where I'd most certainly want one.
Last thing: You're only acting out of fear (home defense situation) if you're not trained properly in how to handle such a scenario. Someone that knows how and when to use a gun isn't a threat to anyone except the person trying to rob them.
, out of curiosity though, how are illegal firearms acquired ?, any research on the matter ?, seems to be an obvious question if the majority of people committing gun crime offences have acquired their weapons through illegal means ?, would also render the fire arm training useless in the majority of cases n all ?I just come back in here to say why don't you compare guns to big nasty dogs ?, oddly enough a lot of the arguments being thrown about in here (me included) have all been directed at me and my dog(s), I've never had them as pets for defensive reasons like but I know people that do and it's the general public seem to think that's all they're good for, apparently they're a loaded weapon. Even find banning certain breeds moronic, kinda like Automatic weapons VS, erm, normal guns ?Nightshade wrote:It's bizarre for a lot of Americans too, really depends on where you live. When I was a kid we never even bothered locking the doors, we knew we didn't need to worry. When I lived in Memphis? Jesus Christ, after the crackhead tried to shoulder down the door I went and bought a fully automatic Rottweiler. Prior to that, when I lived in Florida and all those home invasions were happening, I owned a Glock 19.LawL wrote:Home security for me means keeping the windows and doors locked. The thought of needing a gun for home security is pretty bizarre to an Australian.
.I don't have stats at hand, but I believe that large majority of gun crimes are committed with stolen firearms. Mandating proper, secure storage of guns is another law I'd be fine having enacted.losCHUNK wrote:
It's gravy, I know a lot of what I say is tounge in cheek but I try to keep some seriousness about it
If I ever end up in your neck of the woods you can take me to the gun range n all, will have the same convo with all your mates as I'm squeezing off a few rounds, show you why guns are bad after a few holes in my head
This is actually an excellent point, I have the same contempt for peons that want to ban all "vicious" dogs every time some crackhead's steroid-fueled pitbull eats a toddler.losCHUNK wrote: I just come back in here to say why don't you compare guns to big nasty dogs ?, oddly enough a lot of the arguments being thrown about in here (me included) have all been directed at me and my dog(s), I've never had them as pets for defensive reasons like but I know people that do and it's the general public seem to think that's all they're good for, apparently they're a loaded weapon. Even find banning certain breeds moronic, kinda like Automatic weapons VS, erm, normal guns ?
It happens.Mat Linnett wrote:Aaaaaand another one...
That's the average total murders in a typical Canadian city for a whole year, with every kind of weapon you can think of included in that list...not just gun-related.feedback wrote:http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-shootings-chicago-violence-august-23-august-24-violence-gunfire-20120823,0,49779.story
19 shot overnight in Chicago
The fact that you're apparently a fucking idiot aside for the moment, what's your solution? I hear you being a typical primate and flinging your shit around constantly, but you don't seem to have any answers. So, what's your fix, genius?GONNAFISTYA wrote: That's the average total murders in a typical Canadian city for a whole year, with every kind of weapon you can think of included in that list...not just gun-related.
Nah...no gun problem in the US.
It's not about disagreeing. It's calling a spade a spade.MKJ wrote:lol. we dont agree with your way of life ergo you are the ones that are crazy.
If only these people were properly trained on how to use a firearm.All nine people injured in Friday's shooting in front of the Empire State Building were wounded by police gunfire, New York Police Commissioner Ray Kelly told reporters Saturday.
See, this is why you just look like an angry retard.GONNAFISTYA wrote:Well for a start you can all stop walking around so paranoid and twitching to cap the fucker giving you the evil eye as he packs his SUV with groceries.
Like I said, the nutters are the ones causing the trouble and because they're able to get guns legally they then force everyone else to get guns legally and end up becoming nutters. It's simply an arms race. You get the guns out of the hands of nutters and you'll only have mass kitchenware attacks wherein 2, maybe 3 people get hurt. Kinda hard to hide a bow and arrow kit in your trousers.
How many fucking times do you want to ask the same question?
How do you get the guns out of the hands of nutters? You make it harder to get a gun.
lol It's been widely reported that cops might have shot 8 people accidently during the most recent shootout and you still want to bring the "responsible gun owner" argument? Trained cops? Moron.Nightshade wrote:See, this is why you just look like an angry retard.
1. Americans don't walk around all twitchy and paranoid. You read one article about an idiot that the media made a huge stink over. The vast majority of gun owners are responsible, law-abiding people that don't go around blasting baristas because their latte was tepid. Why do you fail to realize this?
Yeah sure.Nightshade wrote:2. Yes, there are some people that obtain guns legally that shouldn't be able to, and I've addressed (and you ignored) the things that I think should be done to fix this, to the extent that it can be.
The "cause" is that a crazy populance thinks there's no gun problem.Nightshade wrote:3. You seem to think that I'm approaching this from a "win/lose" point of view. I don't. I'm simply trying to get people to look at the CAUSE and not the SYMPTOM. Something else you seem to thick to handle.
No, you're crazy not because your culture is different than mine or anyone else's, your culture is crazy because it is crazy. There are parts of Africa that are less crazy.Nightshade wrote:Yes, we're crazy because we have a culture that's different from yours, one that you don't understand. That's not only ethnocentric, it's just fucking dumb.
