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Well pilot suicide has to be out of the question at this point. I'm thinking if I was gonna kill myself the last thing I'd bother with is figuring out how to turn off all the transponders. What's the point?

Not an awful lot over the last few days, they're investigating the pilots still (along with other crew / passengers) and the voice contact of 'all right, good night' to ATC was around 1:19, only a few minutes before the transponder was switched off. ACARS could have been switched off anytime between 1:07 and 30 minutes later because that's the intervals that it sends its data, this comes from the press conferences by Malaysia airlines and is just clearing up confusion as they were leading us to believe that last voice contact was a few minutes before ACARS getting shut off.

'Un named sources' by various agencies (NYTimes, Huffington post plus more) say that the military RADAR was tracking the plane from the point that the transponder was switched off which was denied by Malaysia airlines before, giving confusing information about 'blips' over the Malacca straights that were being investigated without any certainty instead, this was later confirmed by the investigation team to be true but are not acknowledging it was tracked during the time of losing the transponder signal. I'm believing that the plane was still tracked after the transponder was shut down because the investigation team have been giving confusing information about the planes movements without giving any information as to how they know this, they've been saying from early on the plane had turned West after losing contact which makes no sense if they had lost all contact. They're saying (NYTimes, Huffpost etc) that the plane was tracked to fly as high as 45k feet from the point of losing the transponder signal then down to 20k as it headed over the Mallaca straight, the investigation team confirms that it then turns North towards the Andaman Islands before losing contact. They say that whoever was flying looked as if they were trying to avoid RADAR contact.

The Satellite transmissions hint that the planes last signal was somewhere in these 2 areas along the red lines -

[lvlshot]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bi6ahV7IIAAMtUx.jpg[/lvlshot]

If it was somewhere in the North corridor it would likely be tracked by other countries RADAR systems and intercepted and so far no other country has come forward saying they picked up anything.

These have all been doing the rounds over the last 2 or 3 days, they just clarified some of the information really that they confused the media with before and that the transponder isn't an easy system to disable and required good working knowledge of the aircraft systems.

Sky News were also saying based on data from the satellite that the last transmissions came from the ground but I'd wait for a better source with that tbh, some articles are saying the pilot was a political fanatic and that his wife left him the previous day but again, I'd wait for better sources with that, I think it stems from the Daily Mirror.

Κracus wrote:Well pilot suicide has to be out of the question at this point. I'm thinking if I was gonna kill myself the last thing I'd bother with is figuring out how to turn off all the transponders. What's the point?

I think this one -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SilkAir_Flight_185

This pilots plan was to kill himself without any trace by slamming the plane with everyone on board into the ground, he made an effort to stop the systems recording what he was doing as the airline would have to give a huge payout to his family as a result but because he was found out nothing was given. I was thinking of the possibility that the Malaysian airlines pilot wanted to do this without any trace for the same reasons but that's wild speculation.

lol poor people

but seriously how fucking sociopathic do you have to be to ruin 100's of families' lives for...the betterment of your own.

losCHUNK wrote:

Κracus wrote:Well pilot suicide has to be out of the question at this point. I'm thinking if I was gonna kill myself the last thing I'd bother with is figuring out how to turn off all the transponders. What's the point?

I think this one -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SilkAir_Flight_185

This pilots plan was to kill himself without any trace by slamming the plane with everyone on board into the ground, he made an effort to stop the systems recording what he was doing as the airline would have to give a huge payout to his family as a result but because he was found out nothing was given. I was thinking of the possibility that the Malaysian airlines pilot wanted to do this without any trace for the same reasons but that's wild speculation.

"Good afternoon ladies and gentlemen, this is your Captain. My name is Tsu Wai Ming. On the flight deck this afternoon with me is first officer Duncan Ward. We'd like to welcome you aboard and ah we are now climbing through nineteen thousand feet. We'll be cruising today at thirty five thousand heading towards the north west tracking initially towards the eastern coast of Sumatra towards the town of Palembang before turning right towards Singapore. Flight time one hour twenty minutes. You can expect ah to arrive at Singapore at about six o'clock in the evening Singapore time which is one hour ahead of Jakarta time. Time in Singapore is now four forty five in the afternoon, this is about five minutes ahead of schedule. Weather conditions, clear skies out of Jakarta, very hot afternoon, and at the moment we are still in good weather, however toward Singapore we can expect a bit of showers, thunderstorm towards the southern part of Singapore. Arrival at Singapore should be fine with a temperature of about twenty eight degrees Celsius. The seatbelt sign is now off, feel free to move around the cabin, however while seated, for your own safety have your seatbelt fastened. Sit back and relax, enjoy the services provided today on SilkAir one eight five and I'll get back to you just before our descent into Singapore with an updated weather forecast. Thank you."

Fucking psychopath

Aye that one was grim, another one where a dude who was employed by an airline company got sacked, came In to work the next day or following week or whatever and boarded a flight that he knew the owner of the company would be on, he walked into the cockpit and shot both pilots with a gun he managed to hide because of his employment, went back to shoot the owner, returned to the cockpit and put the engines on full power before pushing the controls forward I to a nosedive.

The last comments on the voice recorder were

Pilot: What's the problem

Unknown voice: I'm the problem

Bang bang

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_ ... light_1771

Not really relevant to this but all sorts of fucked up shit can happen. According to the wiki it wasnt the owner on board but his boss, left him a note too.

No one survived the crash; the force of impact meant that human remains were very small, the largest being feet in shoes

That's fucked up.

Makes me wonder how a sterile cockpit wasnt common practice before 9/11. Wouldn't of helped the silk air flight but still

losCHUNK wrote:Makes me wonder how a sterile cockpit wasnt common practice before 9/11. Wouldn't of helped the silk air flight but still

I remember years ago when I was still a kid, on a short flight from Amsterdam to London, me and my bro were invited to come and have a look in the cockpit. It was mighty impressive to see. On one hand it's crazy that it was possible, on the other hand, it's a real shame that it isn't possible anymore.

I figured all airlines would make it a standard to disable a manual override of the CVR and FDR by the pilot for the reasons listed above.

What bothers me is how apparently both those devices haven't seen much upgrades since their conception... the CVR records only two hours of conversation i read somewhere? Must be one of those 'sure we can make it loads better but we don't really want to, it'll cost us money' deals.

Captain Mazda wrote:I figured all airlines would make it a standard to disable a manual override of the CVR and FDR by the pilot for the reasons listed above.

Was wondering the same thing, some dude who's really into avionics on the Guardian site was saying in a comment that's the case because of potential fire hazard and electronic mishaps - every system must be shutdownable by the pilots or something. He might have been talking out of his arse and spend his days on flight simulator instead of in an actual plane, but it sounded plausible.

It has happened, where 1 electronics system has brought down an entire plane from a fire so makes sense. I think the circuit breakers are located in the cockpit still, on the Silkair flight they were directly behind the captain and were push button switches and doesn't look like much has changed. From what I've read the transponder or ACARS could have been shut down doing this. It's not like he would've had to of gone crawling in the bowls of the plane. Even if they find the black boxes, you can bet your ass they were switched off too imo.

Just done quick google image search -

[lvlshot]http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/3/2/0/0331023.jpg[/lvlshot]

[lvlshot]http://xsimreviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/777-real-pit.jpg[/lvlshot]

Ryoki wrote:

Captain Mazda wrote:I figured all airlines would make it a standard to disable a manual override of the CVR and FDR by the pilot for the reasons listed above.

Was wondering the same thing, some dude who's really into avionics on the Guardian site was saying in a comment that's the case because of potential fire hazard and electronic mishaps - every system must be shutdownable by the pilots or something. He might have been talking out of his arse and spend his days on flight simulator instead of in an actual plane, but it sounded plausible.

losCHUNK wrote:It has happened, where 1 electronics system has brought down an entire plane from a fire so makes sense....

This doesn't explain why the Satelite comms was so difficult to shut down though... assuming he never knew about it, it's possible that he left the circuit breaker on ?. I'm curious if this could have been disabled by a circuit breaker, or at all, like during the last contact sent from the plane after the hijacker possibly realised it was still sending data ?

edit:

The system, which has two parts, is used to send short messages via a satellite or VHF radio to the airline's home base. The information part of the system was shut down, but not the transmission part. In most planes, the information part of the system can be shut down by hitting cockpit switches in sequence in order to get to a computer screen where an option must be selected using a keypad, said Goglia, an expert on aircraft maintenance.

That's also something a pilot would know how to do, but that could also be discovered through research, he said.

But to turn off the other part of the ACARS, it would be necessary to go to an electronics bay beneath the cockpit. That's something a pilot wouldn't normally know how to do, Goglia said, and it wasn't done in the case of the Malaysia plane. Thus, the ACARS transmitter continued to send out blips that were recorded by the Inmarsat satellite once an hour for four to five hours after the transponder was turned off. The blips don't contain any messages or data, but the satellite can tell in a very broad way what region the blips are coming from and adjusts the angle of its antenna to be ready to receive message in case the ACARS sends them. Investigators are now trying to use data from the satellite to identify the region where the plane was when its last blip was sent.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wir ... r-22929513

So not easy as easy as you would think to shut down the transponder n all...

Goglia is the former head of the NTSB, I read another article where it said to shut down the transmission part of the system, someone would have to have disconnected it from the computer directly and would have been difficult not to pull the wrong thing if someone didn't know what they was doing

Alex Jones says it'll be loaded with chemicals and sprayed over the middle east, before being loaded with nooks and used in some hoog attack

Eraser wrote:

losCHUNK wrote:Makes me wonder how a sterile cockpit wasnt common practice before 9/11. Wouldn't of helped the silk air flight but still

I remember years ago when I was still a kid, on a short flight from Amsterdam to London, me and my bro were invited to come and have a look in the cockpit. It was mighty impressive to see. On one hand it's crazy that it was possible, on the other hand, it's a real shame that it isn't possible anymore.

My Wife and I actually got into the cockpit of a 747 jumbo en route to Hong Kong in '82. We must have spent 10 minutes there, long enough to sit in those jump seats while chatting to the pilots etc. My chat with the engineer was really interesting. and all looked more retro than the (recent) pics from losCHUNK.

Like you said Eraser, although no one then thought it crazy it's a real shame that it isn't possible anymore.

Eraser wrote:I remember years ago when I was still a kid, on a short flight from Amsterdam to London, me and my bro were invited to come and have a look in the cockpit. It was mighty impressive to see. On one hand it's crazy that it was possible, on the other hand, it's a real shame that it isn't possible anymore.

Same here. I've only ever flown in a plane twice, and the first time was when I was 10 and I got to sit in the copilot seat.

Edit: or maybe it was a jump seat, like Whiskey. It's been 20 years...

This is an interesting and simple theory that makes a lot more sense than all the crazy hijacking theories...

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh ... ical-fire/

Transient wrote:I've only ever flown in a plane twice

really..? Don't you ever feel the need to travel to somewhere really far away where people look and talk radically different than what you're used to?

777 are a very nice plane to fly in

But the flight paths were changed by a computer...

plained wrote:777 are a very nice plane to fly in

Don't think i've ever flown in one of those...

Flown in an Airbus 380 once though, that sure was something else. That thing is a glorious achievement of design and technology, had me absolutely gobsmacked. If a regular plane is like a bus, the A380 is a limousine. I mean, i didn't even really feel or hear the takeoff and landing... and it's the only time i ever sat comfortable in a plane. Very impressive

Ryoki wrote: really..? Don't you ever feel the need to travel to somewhere really far away where people look and talk radically different than what you're used to?

Oh yeah, definitely. I just haven't had the opportunity to do so recently.

werent you planning a euro trip not too long ago? :f

Fantasizing, maybe. Too much shit is going on right now for me to entertain the idea, but it's in the back of my mind for the next few years...

scared? wrote:But the flight paths were changed by a computer...

Missile placement dumbo