Quake3World

hey, guys -- sorry for the delay. i am gonna release this soon. i've updated the link at the top to the release candidate. i think i got to all the bugs that everyone mentioned, but give me a heads up if you find anything.

major changes:
-bug fixes
-optimized for vertex/picmip modes
-changed item placement for FFA (let me know if you like the other way better!)

thanks,
pat

Hi Pat!

Glad that you like my vertexlight shader code and texture
Some credit would have been nice though ...
Idea: in vertexlight mode only the first shader stage is rendered. If you make that shader stage "nothing", slower machines should benefit from the reduced texture detail.
In Trespass the hack has been applied to the foliage and some other decorative elements.


Game Compatibility:

OpenArena:
overall: good
missing textures: none
missing files: none

UrbanTerror4:
overall: acceptable; jumppads, teleporters, high altitude drops
missing textures: /base_support/proto_grate4, /base_support/cable_trans
missing files: mini map (/maps/trespass.tga)

Xonotic:
overall: good
missing textures: /base_support/proto_grate4, /base_support/cable_trans
missing files: map info (/maps/trespass.mapinfo), levelshot (/maps/trespass.jpg)

Warsow:
overall: acceptable; spawn conflict with regeneration and player spawns in FFA
missing textures: /base_support/proto_grate4, /base_support/cable_trans
missing files: none

Too bad you didn't include the domination spawns for OpenArena, QuakeLive and Xonotic.
If you could fix/replace the missing textures/shaders from pak0.pk3, the map should be visually compatible with all the games listed above.


Archive (PK3) Size:
BETA: 27.9 MB
RC: 25.9 MB
OPTIMIZED: 21.6 MB

Try to use 7zip to create the pk3 archive. It'll give you a better compression for zip files. Using my small shell script (viewtopic.php?f=10&t=51072) the size of the pk3 can still be reduced by 4.5 MB ; from 25.9 MB down to 21.6 MB, that's 16% less than the original file. If you need help with the process, the already reduced images or a dos-batch version of that script, just let me know. You'll still need to download and install ImageMagick and jpegoptim though.


NOTE:
Always make sure to delete the file "Thumbs.db"!

Pat, I'd only add the shadow decal under plants growing up from ground and it will be all okay Bot play is the true deathmatch, they are very agressive For me, add shadow decals under the plant and you can release it final

I found some more inconsistencies:

Missing NOPICMIP in the following shaders:
textures/phdm5/plant_leaf01a
textures/phdm5/plant_leaf01a_back
textures/phdm5/plant_leaf01b
textures/phdm5/plant_leaf01b_back
textures/phdm5/plant_leaf01d
textures/phdm5/plant_leaf01d_back
textures/phdm5/plant_leaf02a
textures/phdm5/plant_leaf02a_back
textures/phdm5/plant_leaf05a
textures/phdm5/plant_leaf05a_back
textures/phdm5/plant_grass01a
textures/phdm5/plant_grass01a_back
textures/phdm5/plant_grass01d
textures/phdm5/plant_grass01d_back
textures/phdm5/plant_mush_top01
textures/phdm5/plant_mush_back01
textures/phdm5/plant_mush_stem01
textures/phdm5/plant_lily1
textures/phdm5/plant_lily2

You can't have plant_ivy1, leaf and trunk with NOPICMIP and the rest of the plants without it. Looks weird

These shaders could benefit from the vertexlight code:
textures/phdm5/tab_decal_leak_b
textures/phdm5/tab_decal_stain_b
textures/phdm5/tab_decal_stain_c
textures/phdm5/tab_decal_stain_d
textures/phdm5/tab_decal_stain_e Just add the code as the first stage to the shaders listed above.
BTW: All stain decals have NOPICMIP, so in conjunction with the missing nopicmip in the plant_ shaders, the map looks really inconsistent in low detail graphic modes.

Elements (teleporter, button, jumppad) that the player interacts with should always have NOPICMIP, imho:
TELEPORTER
textures/phdm5/tele
textures/phdm5/teleglow

JUMPPAD
textures/phdm5/jumpgrid
textures/phdm5/jumpring1
textures/phdm5/jumpring2
textures/phdm5/jumpring3
textures/phdm5/jumpring4


DETAIL COMPARISON (after fixing the shader):
R_VERTEXLIGHT 0; R_PICMIP 0 = foilage/plants visible, decals/stains visible
http://www.anony.ws/image/D1m0

R_VERTEXLIGHT 0; R_PICMIP 16 = foilage/plants visible, decals/stains visible
http://www.anony.ws/image/D1m8

R_VERTEXLIGHT 1; R_PICMIP 0 = foilage/plants hidden, decals/stains hidden
http://www.anony.ws/image/D1mR

R_VERTEXLIGHT 1; R_PICMIP 16 = foilage/plants hidden, decals/stains hidden
http://www.anony.ws/image/D1mh


FIXED SHADER:
http://pastebin.com/P4Paugn0

I was able to play it against two others, and it played wonderful. Been a while since I looked at this thread ... this map has come a long way, you're very talented, it looks amazing! Nice work

v1l3 wrote:I was able to play it against two others, and it played wonderful. Been a while since I looked at this thread ... this map has come a long way, you're very talented, it looks amazing! Nice work

thanks!

m4xpower wrote:Glad that you like my vertexlight shader code and texture
Some credit would have been nice though ...

i just haven't gotten around to crediting the shader file yet (though i know you had no way of knowing because i labeled this file the RC). i will add a note in the shader that this is your code. i appreciate your help with everything.

I'd only add the shadow decal under plants growing up from ground

i'll try your decal method for this. thanks.
edit: hopefully it won't project on the plant model as well. if that's the case then i'll just have to leave a few plants without decals near the really bumpy terrain.

Pat Howard wrote: i just haven't gotten around to crediting the shader file yet (though i know you had no way of knowing because i labeled this file the RC). i will add a note in the shader that this is your code. i appreciate your help with everything.

don't cram that into the shader file. Readme.txt should suffice...

m4xpower wrote: don't cram that into the shader file. Readme.txt should suffice...

sorry, but i don't usually do credits that way. if you're interested, here's how i do credits in my pk3:

README FILE
i credit anyone in the readme who has contributed assets to the map e.g. models, non-editor textures, and sounds.

SHADER FILE
i make a note in the shader file any time i borrow a shader from another person.

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in the readme i no longer credit individuals who helped me on the forums with feedback. it's not because i don't appreciate them, it's just that i don't want to forget anyone. q3 is a small community but even still there are 20-50 people commenting on my maps. for a popular game like CS GO i'd imagine that number can go into the triple digits. i don't want to have to write a name down every time someone chimes in even though i appreciate all the feedback i get on these forums. instead, i just thank the community as a whole by including the URL of each forum i posted my map on.

i hope people are just giving feedback to be helpful and because they enjoy doing it. the only thing i can offer in return is my appreciation and the possibility that i will include their suggestions in my map.

i hope that makes sense, and thanks again to everyone for your help.

pat

edit: i suppose i could double credit people who contributed to the shader file by also listing them in the readme, but that seems a bit redundant to me. besides, i always felt like shaders change hands so often it's hard to know in most cases who was the original author.

Pat Howard wrote:I can't figure out what software to use to convert .wav files to 50kbps .ogg files so they will work in QL. If anyone can help me with this, please let me know.

try http://www.rarewares.org/ogg-oggenc.php
direct download: http://www.rarewares.org/files/ogg/ogge ... eneric.zip The parameters -m and -M specifiy the min/max kbps.

Pat Howard wrote:Also, in the Q3 version of this map I used an alternative item placement for FFA, but that doesn't seem to work for QL so I removed it. It seems that the gametype param was replaced with notgametype. I still need to test how this works.

REGEN: replace "gametype" "team ffa" with "not_gametype" "1"
RA: replace "gametype" "tournament" with "not_gametype" "0 3"

I'm pretty sure you can specify a game type in QL rather than specifying which ones not to use.

I really seem to be lagging behind with this map... neat detail, love all the broken glass and especially the greenery in the map. Uncanny all the detail that went into the map. Nicely done indeed.

@m4x: thanks, i will try it.

@AEon: thanks so much!

hey, everyone. sorry for bumping this thread so many times, but i just wanted to let everyone know that i've updated the link at the top to the final version. i've added a few new details here and there and hopefully fixed all the bugs everyone found without creating any new ones in the process. thanks for all the great feedback on this map!

pat

Nothing big but the file downloads as a zip file. I used PakScape to make it a pk3. I ran through it for
a while just checking it out. It looks nice Pat. Then I tried throwing in some bots. Just for the sake of
seeing what kind of load it would put on my system I tried using 8 bots. It didn't work out, it crashed
Q3 every time I tried. So I cut it back to 4 bots and that worked fine. I had a nice even 125 fps and it
played nice and smooth. I had a good time playing it but I'm sure it would be better with live players
in it. For the most part humans are a bit less predictable . It reminded me of some pics of an
abandoned factory I seen some time ago. I kept wanting to jump out the windows to go run around
outside(that could be a whole other map, Hint ,hint).