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Scourge wrote:And he's out.

SOAPboy wrote:

Scourge wrote:And he's out.

When was he ever "in"?

Scourge wrote:And he's out.

YourGrandpa wrote:

losCHUNK wrote: You don't want to discuss what information is available through official sources and instead rely on the narrative in your head still ?. Why can't you accept that based on the information the police made an error ?, I've laid out the events. Instead you wanna talk about 'if he...' and 'or they...'.

Who's pretending ?, you're trying to say that the police can't deal with a somewhat irregular yet highly publicised and routine occurrence in a sensible way. Over a 5 year period close to 15% of teams would have had experience with this situation n all. Conservative number too, most forces have to few officers to create a team so rely on shared resources.

I've said from the start, if the officer is at fault he should be charged. How'd you miss that? At least I'm willing to wait for an investigation before I start blaming the people who protect and serve. And 400 incidents a year isn't shit. Especially when the majority are identified before they turn into anything because most people are not bright enough to carry out the lie.

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YourGrandpa wrote:It does look very similar to someone who is trying to quickly raise a pistol to shoot.

seremtan wrote:so a guy who's surprised to find cops outside his house reacts identically to a man totally unsurprised to find cops outside his house

interesting

YourGrandpa wrote:When I originally watched the video on my phone I thought the officers were in the doorway of the home and the video was being shot from across the street. I can see now after watching on a larger screen, the officers were actually across the street. (My mistake. I apologize for arguing from the wrong perspective.) That certainly changes the threat level for the officers. This is also a situation where a non-lethal solution could have been used if a viable option was available to the officer at the time. But now that I've watched the video over and over I still can't make sense out of how/why Finch raised his hands that way. It does look very similar to someone who is trying to quickly raise a pistol to shoot.

All things considered, the officer was in a very difficult situation where action was required. If he was not issued a non-lethal option that would work at range, he had no other choice but to use lethal force. However, the family could probably make a case against the department citing some form of negligence.

YourGrandpa wrote:

seremtan wrote:so a guy who's surprised to find cops outside his house reacts identically to a man totally unsurprised to find cops outside his house

interesting

The police were out outside yelling commands. This wasn't a "surprise". It looks like Finch quickly raises both of his hands, bringing them together out in front of him as if he was attempting to point a pistol towards the officers. Common sense tells you if someone points a gun at you, you shouldn't make any sudden moves. If he lacked common sense, he should have at least known what to do from the thousands of cops/gangster movies we've all seen.

YourGrandpa wrote:The dude made a highly questionable move that resulted in his death. As tragic as that is, I believe the officer was operating well with-in guidelines.