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smoking pot is good...
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 3:54 am
by Freakaloin
so they say...any questions?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051026/hl_nm/pot_cancer_dc
btw...my neighbor came over and dropped off some free weed...she owns a lakehouse and the ppl who rented it for the weekend left it there...jellus?
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 4:08 am
by Duhard
agreed..if you don't smoke weed, then you're a moron..case closed
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 4:10 am
by Duhard
btw..i fucked a white widow last night..jellus?
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 5:10 am
by simple
That's not what I got, all i got from the article is that pot smoke may no cause as much cancer as cigaret smoke. It still carries all it's other side effects. Witch include an increased chance of metal disorders, permanent changes in brain chemistry, and sexual disfunction. I think i'll stick with aspirin.
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 5:16 am
by Freakaloin
simple wrote:That's not what I got, all i got from the article is that pot smoke may no cause as much cancer as cigaret smoke. It still carries all it's other side effects. Witch include an increased chance of metal disorders, permanent changes in brain chemistry, and sexual disfunction. I think i'll stick with aspirin.
WELL UR OBVIOUSLY A MORON...
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 5:51 am
by Canis
...and it has far more carcinogens and tar than cigarettes, so its also bad.
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 5:58 am
by [xeno]Julios
simple wrote:That's not what I got, all i got from the article is that pot smoke may no cause as much cancer as cigaret smoke. It still carries all it's other side effects. Witch include an increased chance of metal disorders, permanent changes in brain chemistry, and sexual disfunction. I think i'll stick with aspirin.
do u drink beer or wine ever?
u know there are a tonne of problems associated with alcohol.
you may respond that you don't abuse alcohol, that you use it responsibly.
fair enough, but there is such a thing as responsible pot use also.
(maybe you already understood this but wasn't sure)
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 6:20 am
by [xeno]Julios
never mind, your post wasn't even directed against pot - was directed against the comment that pot is good for you.
my bad
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 6:20 am
by simple
Nope, I don't drink. But drinking creates it's high by suffocating the brain. The alcohol bonds with the blood. Causing the red blood cells to cary less oxygen. It also raises the body temperature. Mmmm freshly suffocated and cooked brain cells. Your body thinks it's drowning and creates the high that so many people so enjoy.
Alcohol isn't a mind altering substances, It just damages the brain. Pot on the other hand is, and it only requires a small amount to cause permanent changes in brain chemistry. While most anti depressants take over a year of continues daily use to cause such a change.
How can any one argue that there is responsible use of an illegal substance? By just possessing it, a person is risking needless jail time. Not to mention the trouble it may cause in future job applications. That doesn't sound very responsible.
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 6:24 am
by simple
yes my comment was directed against the comment that pot is good for humans.
btw: I do recognize that as a drug there may be a reasonable use for pot.
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 6:25 am
by Freakaloin
simple wrote:Nope, I don't drink. But drinking creates it's high by suffocating the brain. The alcohol bonds with the blood. Causing the red blood cells to cary less oxygen. It also raises the body temperature. Mmmm freshly suffocated and cooked brain cells. Your body thinks it's drowning and creates the high that so many people so enjoy.
Alcohol isn't a mind altering substances, It just damages the brain. Pot on the other hand is, and it only requires a small amount to cause permanent changes in brain chemistry. While most anti depressants take over a year of continues daily use to cause such a change.
How can any one argue that there is responsible use of an illegal substance? By just possessing it, a person is risking needless jail time. Not to mention the trouble it may cause in future job applications. That doesn't sound very responsible.
a homo says what?
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 6:27 am
by Duhard
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 6:35 am
by [xeno]Julios
simple wrote:
Alcohol isn't a mind altering substances, It just damages the brain.
Your phrasing suggests that damaging your brain is nowhere near as bad as merely altering your mind.
Furthermore, alcohol most certainly is a mind altering substance. And it alters it in more ways than simply reducing the amount of oxygen available. It's a powerful nervous system depressant, and it achieves this through interaction with receptors in the brain.
simple wrote:
Pot on the other hand is, and it only requires a small amount to cause permanent changes in brain chemistry. While most anti depressants take over a year of continues daily use to cause such a change.
By permanent changes what exactly do you mean? My looking at a blue sky permanently alters my brain in many ways. Also, many people become highly addicted to SSRI's after only a short while (weeks or months).
simple wrote:
How can any one argue that there is responsible use of an illegal substance? By just possessing it, a person is risking needless jail time. Not to mention the trouble it may cause in future job applications. That doesn't sound very responsible.
Perhaps you're assuming that everyone lives in the U.S.
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 6:35 am
by mrd
simple wrote:Nope, I don't drink. But drinking creates it's high by suffocating the brain. The alcohol bonds with the blood. Causing the red blood cells to cary less oxygen. It also raises the body temperature. Mmmm freshly suffocated and cooked brain cells. Your body thinks it's drowning and creates the high that so many people so enjoy.
Alcohol isn't a mind altering substances, It just damages the brain. Pot on the other hand is, and it only requires a small amount to cause permanent changes in brain chemistry. While most anti depressants take over a year of continues daily use to cause such a change.
How can any one argue that there is responsible use of an illegal substance? By just possessing it, a person is risking needless jail time. Not to mention the trouble it may cause in future job applications. That doesn't sound very responsible.
Around where I live, the cops don't give a shit unless you're either carrying 6 backpacks stuffed full of it, or if you're selling it. I've been caught a few times and they just said "hey, let's go over there and smoke this stu-- I mean...bad boy. Let's just throw this stuff into the ground by which I mean my pocket."
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 6:43 am
by Freakaloin
did u morons know that heroin does not hurt the body in any way...none of the organs...brain...notta...?...its safer then aspirin...
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 6:44 am
by simple
Well brain damage is realitve. You could have a glass of wine. And the damage to the brain isn't as bad as say getting hit by a base ball bat.
Sneezing even kills brain cells.
Looking at the sky dosen't perminatly alter the chemistry of the brain. Your creating memmories and nural pathways witch is a normal funtion of the brain.
It's hard to define how pot effect the brain. There hasn't been nearly anuff reserch into it's effects. But using brain scans it's easy to identify the genrael change caused by pot. The human brain natrual has allot of activity in the front, and in the back near the brain stem. After only a few uses, new areas of the brain become constantly active. Some people may think that's a good thing. But for instance schizophrenia shows up similarly in a brain scan.
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 6:54 am
by [xeno]Julios
simple wrote:
Looking at the sky dosen't perminatly alter the chemistry of the brain. Your creating memmories and nural pathways witch is a normal funtion of the brain.
ah so we're talking about normal vs abnormal functioning of the brain.
simple wrote:
It's hard to define how pot effect the brain. There hasn't been nearly anuff reserch into it's effects. But using brain scans it's easy to identify the genrael change caused by pot. The human brain natrual has allot of activity in the front, and in the back near the brain stem. After only a few uses, new areas of the brain become constantly active. Some people may think that's a good thing. But for instance schizophrenia shows up similarly in a brain scan.
It's true that pot has been linked with schizophrenia. Mainly as a trigger for a pre-existing dispotition. But many other things in life can act as stressors which can similarly trigger the onset of schizophrenia.
Of course, smoking a heavy dose of pot without being mentally prepared is a recipie for a bad trip, which can be extremely stressful.
I'm not aware of these studies that show increased areas of brain activity. Sounds interesting, and I wouldn't mind checking them out (not to dispute you, but because i'm genuinely interested).
Do you know what the conditions of the study were? i.e. dosage and types of subjects - was it a clinically contolled study?
(or are we talking about the reagan era of "non-science" about pot.
You should also try, if possible, to learn about the modern north american history of this drug - it's quite fascinating. I recommend the documentary "Grass":
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0214730/
it doesn't focus too much on the actual nature of cannabis and its interaction with the human body, but it does give a great social and legal history, which is in many ways, just as important.
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 6:56 am
by simple
also the active agent in pot, dhc, bonds onto nerve endings. Slowing down the transmission rate through the body and brain. The body naturally remove dhc, but it dose it at an incredible slow rate. So any thing over a single use every couple of months. Start to create a build up. Cause it's so fun to have your thinking and reaction times impaired for months to come.
BTW it also binds to fat. One of the mane components of the brain is far.
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 9:56 am
by [xeno]Julios
simple wrote:also the active agent in pot, dhc, bonds onto nerve endings.
that's THC. I'm not sure what you mean by nerve endings - nerve endings aren't found in the brain, as far as I know. Do you mean receptors? Of course they bind to receptors - that's one of the main mechanisms through which molecules influence brain activity. Alcohol, for example, interacts with multiple transmitter and receptor systems in the brain. The effects of alcohol are actually quite complex on the neuropharmacological level.
simple wrote:
Slowing down the transmission rate through the body and brain. The body naturally remove dhc, but it dose it at an incredible slow rate. So any thing over a single use every couple of months.
So you're saying that if i have a toke or two, that i'll be slowed down for a couple of months? You realize that just because a drug stays in your system for a few days, at a level detectable by drug tests, it doesn't mean it's impairing your functioning.
Many people in the world function happily with a constant diet of caffeine - gladwell has called this the synthetic personality:
Part of what it means to be human in the modern age is that we have come to construct our emotional and cognitive states not merely from the inside out--with thought and intention--but from the outside in, with chemical additives. The modern personality is, in this sense, a synthetic creation: skillfully regulated and medicated and dosed with caffeine so that we can always be awake and alert and focussed when we need to be. On a bet, no doubt, we could walk away from caffeine if we had to. But what would be the point? The lawyers wouldn't make their billable hours. The young doctors would fall behind in their training. The physicists might still be stuck out in the New Mexico desert. We'd set the world back a month.
http://www.gladwell.com/2001/2001_07_30_a_java.htm
Someone who drinks a cup of tea or coffee a day is enduring much more radical and persistant mind altering than someone who has a small toke every week or so.
A perspective on the larger issue around drugs and society is helpful.
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 10:01 am
by Ryoki
Julios & simple made this thread interesting :icon14:
Re: smoking pot is good...
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 10:08 am
by Dek
I think it's a conspiracy. This news you believe? C'mon now, don't disappoint us, tell us Bush was behind the story.
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 10:11 am
by mrd
Of course they choose the most scraggely fucked up looking pothead to use as a picture on the yahoo page...fucking homos