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Anonymously annoying people over the internet now a crime
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 4:54 pm
by eepberries
Federal, even.
http://news.com.com/Create+an+e-annoyan ... 22491.html
A new federal law states that when you annoy someone on the Internet, you must disclose your identity. Here's the relevant language.
"Whoever...utilizes any device or software that can be used to originate telecommunications or other types of communications that are transmitted, in whole or in part, by the Internet... without disclosing his identity and with intent to annoy, abuse, threaten, or harass any person...who receives the communications...shall be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than two years, or both."
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Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 4:55 pm
by Freakaloin
soon it will be illegal to walk out of ur house unless ur going to spend a lot of money or go to ur job...
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 4:59 pm
by o'dium
Dont tell kiltron

booooo
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 5:09 pm
by Grandpa Stu
this offends me like a person.
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 5:16 pm
by losCHUNK
well thats fucking bent
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 5:21 pm
by R00k
Clumsy, sweeping legislation is the new baby-kissing.
Yep, that's why they get the big bucks.
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 5:22 pm
by Jackal
Since the governement doesn't control the internet I don't see how this law can be valid. My understanding is that the federal government only has the power to exert control over broadcast mediums, not the net.
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 5:23 pm
by R00k
Does that include anonymously making statements to the press to be published online, which cause me enormous grief and aggravation?

Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 5:25 pm
by losCHUNK
geoffs going to be bankrupt
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 6:08 pm
by Fender
another rider bill
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 6:33 pm
by XG|FragUPlenty
how are they gonna stop it, what take your IP address then send the cops to your house.
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 6:49 pm
by eepberries
XG|FragUPlenty wrote:how are they gonna stop it, what take your IP address then send the cops to your house.
Uhh, yes?
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 6:51 pm
by Foo
But isn't that a disclosure of your identity?
Re: booooo
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 8:56 pm
by JulesWinnfield
Grandpa Stu wrote:this offends me like a person.

Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 9:12 pm
by bitWISE
eepberries wrote:XG|FragUPlenty wrote:how are they gonna stop it, what take your IP address then send the cops to your house.
Uhh, yes?
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Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 11:20 pm
by seremtan
Freakaloin wrote:soon it will be illegal to walk out of ur house unless ur going to spend a lot of money or go to ur job...
so you'll be pretty much stuck in the house, not unlike now
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 1:37 am
by eepberries
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 4:17 am
by glossy
i love the vague "Internet" noun.
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 9:25 am
by MKJ
bunch of faggoty bush loving fagger fags i will kill you all with a plane and a bomb airport terrorist network carrot !!
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 9:57 am
by Transient
Fortunately this goes against the First Ammendment, so as soon as someone gets affected by it, they will fight it and absolutely crush it.
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 2:28 pm
by plained
finaly a law thats handy ey
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 2:35 pm
by MKJ
plained wrote:finaly a law thats handy ey
watch it, son. youre about to break the law :icon6:
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 2:41 pm
by plained
hehe you like that one ey
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 3:27 pm
by Fender
Turns out this isn't quite as bad as everyone is blowing it up to be :shocked:
http://volokh.com/archives/archive_2006 ... 1136873535
A Skeptical Look at "Create an E-annoyance, Go to Jail": Declan McCullagh has penned a column that is custom-designed to race around the blogosphere. It begins:
Annoying someone via the Internet is now a federal crime.
It's no joke. Last Thursday, President Bush signed into law a prohibition on posting annoying Web messages or sending annoying e-mail messages without disclosing your true identity.
In other words, it's OK to flame someone on a mailing list or in a blog as long as you do it under your real name. Thank Congress for small favors, I guess.
This ridiculous prohibition, which would likely imperil much of Usenet, is buried in the so-called Violence Against Women and Department of Justice Reauthorization Act. Criminal penalties include stiff fines and two years in prison.
"The use of the word 'annoy' is particularly problematic," says Marv Johnson, legislative counsel for the American Civil Liberties Union. "What's annoying to one person may not be annoying to someone else."
This is just the perfect blogosphere story, isn't it? It combines threats to bloggers with government incompetence and Big Brother, all wrapped up and tied togther with a little bow. Unsurprisingly, a lot of bloggers are taking the bait.
Skeptical readers will be shocked, shocked to know that the truth is quite different. First, a little background. The new law amends 47 U.S.C. 223, the telecommunications harassment statute that goes back to the Communications Act of 1934. For a long time, Section 223 has had a provision prohibiting anonymous harassing speech using a telephone. 47 U.S.C. 223(a)(1)(C) states that
[whoever] makes a telephone call or utilizes a telecommunications device, whether or not conversation or communication ensues, without disclosing his identity and with intent to annoy, abuse, threaten, or harass any person at the called number or who receives the communications . . . shall be [punished].
Seems pretty broad, doesn't it? Well, there's a hook. It turns out that the statute can only be used when prohibiting the speech would not violate the First Amendment. If speech is protected by the First Amendment, the statute is unconstitutional as applied and the indictment must be dismissed. An example of this is United States v. Popa, 187 F.3d 672 (D.C. Cir. 1999). In Popa, the defendant called the U.S. Attorney for D.C on the telephone several times, and each time would hurl insults at the U.S. Attorney without identifying himself. He was charged under 47 U.S.C. 223(a)(1)(C), and raised a First Amendment defense. Writing for a unanimous panel, Judge Ginsburg reversed the conviction: punishing the speech violated the Supreme Court's First Amendment test in United States v. O'Brien, 391 U.S. 367 (1968), he reasoned, such that the statute was unconstitutional as applied to those facts.
Under cases like Popa, 47 U.S.C. 223(a)(1)(C) is broad on its face but narrow in practice. That is, the text looks really broad, but prosecutors know that they can't bring a prosecution unless doing so would comply with the Supreme Court's First Amendment cases.
That brings us to the new law. The new law simply expands the old law so that it applies to the Internet as well as the telephone network. It does this by taking the old definition of "telecommunications device" from 47 U.S.C. 223(h), which used to be telephone-specific, and expanding it in this context to include "any device or software that can be used to originate telecommunications or other types of communications that are transmitted, in whole or in part, by the Internet."
Now I suppose you can criticize Congress for being lazy. They haven't rewritten the old 1934 statute in light of the modern First Amendment, and that has resulted in a criminal statute that looks much broader than it actually is. The new law expands the preexisting law by amending the definition of "telecommunications device," which maintains the same gap between the law on the books and the law in practice. The formulation is a bit awkward. But the key point for our purposes is that the law is not the "ridiculous" provision Declan imagines. It looks funny if you don't know the relevant caselaw, but in practice it simply takes the telephone harassment statute we've had for decades and applies it to the Internet.
UPDATE: Cal Lanier takes a look, and concludes that this is just about making sure the telephone harassment law applies to VOIP.
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 4:11 pm
by R00k
I understand it can't be supported on Constitutional grounds. But that means we're relying on the courts to make sure the law isn't used as broadly as it sounds. The same courts who decided that the government can take our land and give it to friendly companies.
It's just sloppy lawmaking.