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x1800 4 quads, each quad contains,

- four texture pipes
-four shader pipes
- four ROP pipes

x1900 4 quads, each quad contains,

- four texture pipes
- 12 shader pipes
- four ROP pipes

shader heavy games like quakewars and fear are gonna love this card.

glad i never pushed the buy button on a new system yet.

new amd m2 socket hitting store shelves and the x1900 series from ati on sale in a week. march sounds like a good time too buy.

Just bought a new system. All I'll need to upgrade anytime soon will be a vidcard, cpu and ram. Sounds pretty interesting, but I'll wait to see what Nvidia has to compare when I do upgrade.

ati's current new stuff has more to offer than nvidia. the 1900 series is just really quick to market after 1800 series.

True, but who knows what will be available when I do decide to upgrade. But, yeah, ATI is in favor now. I've had both brands and been pretty happy with both with one exception. Nvidia drivers are much easier to deal with.

nVidia is still ahead when it comes to price/performance, the Ati cards are generally quite a bit more expensive

It may have just been me but I was a bit dissapointed with the x1800 series. the x1800XL was only really on par with my 7800GT, and was £100 more expensive at the time it came out.

It may also just be me but it seems the release of the x1900 series of cards seems to be a bit quick...

However, it will obviously still be very interesting to see what these cards can pump out.

Quad-SLI anyone http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2665

The 7900 from Nvidia should be on a par with the 1900 but won't be around till March

ppp wrote:Quad-SLI anyone http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2665

The 7900 from Nvidia should be on a par with the 1900 but won't be around till March

you can already buy a 52 card ati rendering machine if you have the cash. i might be interested in the quad-sli if it scaled accordingly with each card added. not even mentioning the price/performance ratio=shit.

nvidia needs some new features as well on the 7900. more of the same. *yawn*

this year is ati's.

shadd_ wrote:this year is ati's.

I'd say it's a bit early to make such a statement.

Grudge wrote:nVidia is still ahead when it comes to price/performance, the Ati cards are generally quite a bit more expensive

just been checking on pricing and that is not the case. you can get a 512mb x1800xt for $15 more than a 256mb 7800gtx. the x1800xt is a faster/more featured card and overclocks like nobody's business. make sure you get a rev.2 board and flash it to a xt pe,%100 success rate and match the non-existant(priced at $1000 to stop people from buying) 512mb7800gtx.

the x1800xl is also cheaper than the 7800gt, matches it in speed at stock, more features. also overclocks like mad to xt speeds and beyond.

plus the drivers for the x1800 series are young and have already made big gains in last two months. ati has also has matched/surpassed nvidia in quake4 with the x1800 series.

the default image quality of ati is better than nvidia. so when you see nvidia and ati even in a benchmark, ati is looking better.

normally i would'nt get into this conversation but there is alot of loyal 'not in the know' nvidia users on this board.

pricing info gathered here. canadian $$

http://www.pccanada.com/inventory.asp?cat=VIDEO%20CARDS

Grudge wrote:

shadd_ wrote:this year is ati's.

I'd say it's a bit early to make such a statement.

no it's not. ati has already started taking the lead back with the x1800 series. people at gfx enthusiast sites are now picking ati over nvidia.

of course people will argue and post old benchmarks from the intial release showing nvidia in the lead. i can post benchmarks showing the lowly x800 pro wiping the floor with 6800ultra at release. we all know how far the 6800 series has come since then. nvidia had a new architecture and needed some time to get the drivers in order.

ati has their new design and the performance increases show with every new monthly released driver.

shadd_ wrote:normally i would'nt get into this conversation but there is alot of loyal 'not in the know' nvidia users on this board.

And with that statement you wish to show that you yourself are not a fanboy?

Btw, a quick look at THWGs VGA charts shows that the 7800GT tops the 1800XL consistently throughout almost all gaming benchmarks. Care to show me some benchmarks that show the opposite?

Plus, I don't know if the prices are different in Canada, but here in Sweden the 1800XL is about $50-100 more expensive than the 7800GT on average, and that is where you actually can find it, because it doesn't seem much available in most stores.

Btw, my price info is from here (the 3 largest online stores here:

http://www.komplett.se/k/kl.asp?bn=10488

http://www.webhallen.com/list.php?avd=3 ... &start=120

http://www.datorbutiken.com/se/

i just showed you canadian prices so you know.

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/ati ... /page5.asp

review there shows the x1800xl neck and neck with the 7800gt with a more featured card. you can't sit there and say the 7800 series matches it in features because it doesn't.

There's only one single 7800GT card on that site you posted, that's not a large enough sample to be representative of the pricing in general. Seems like just a shitty store.

And that's a 1800XT review you posted.

My point from the start was that nVidia is still ahead when it comes to price/performance, I wasn't talking about features. The 1800 series have a few special features, but that's not anything groundbreaking, like support for a new shader model, so unless it shows up in performance your point is moot.

Grudge wrote:There's only one single 7800GT card on that site you posted, that's not a large enough sample to be representative of the pricing in general. Seems like just a shitty store.

And that's a 1800XT review you posted.

My point from the start was that nVidia is still ahead when it comes to price/performance, I wasn't talking about features. The 1800 series have a few special features, but that's not anything groundbreaking, like support for a new shader model, so unless it shows up in performance your point is moot.

now youre getting picky. yeah it's an x1800xt review with their numbers from x1800xl, xt, 7800gt, gtx, crossfire and sli benchmarks as well.

heres a review with x1800xl aiw vs 7800gt

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/ati ... _x1800_xl/

ok how about this? in canada ati has the price/performance ratio. in sweden nvidia has the price/performance.

ZOMG SOMETHING THAT CAME OUT MONTHS AFTER SOMETHING ELSE IS FASTER WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT?!?!?!?!?!@

strangly Soap, i was thinking the same

SOAPboy wrote:ZOMG SOMETHING THAT CAME OUT MONTHS AFTER SOMETHING ELSE IS FASTER WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT?!?!?!?!?!@

so because the card came out after noone should buy it?

can't have a grown up discussion about a new product(x1900 series, yeah it was mentioned at the start)without fanboys coming along spewing their bullshit.

oh, wait, don't grudge and soapboy have new nvidia 7800 series cards? get the fuck out of my thread.

if i had'nt started the thread i would have kept my mouth shut.

ok, i'm bored so here goes.

these guys are victims of this type of thing. nvidias scuzzy tactics.

http://www.aeginfo.com/

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basically what they do is monitor forums and give selected people free hardware in return for acting like a regular consumer and defending nvidia to the death(lol).

how fucking cheap is that? viral marketing. the next time your reading user reviews keep that in mind.

15 page thread about it here at b3d. all industry guys who back up their shit with %100 solid facts.

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26199

i hate companies that try to bullshit me instead of letting their product speak for itself.

When will the M2 socket appear on sale? It sounds like a good time to get a good M2 PCI-E SLI mobo, a bit of good fast ram, a cheap single core CPU, an inexpensive videocard, a SATA2 hdd, and have a very much upgradeable computer for less than $1k that can recieve some crazy quad core cpu two years down the road and $250 for two videocards that are each as fast as the 7800GT , no?

Q2 this year so thats in a couple months. not sure exactly how that works but i think Q1 started before jan 1.

anyways it launches with 12 different cpu's.

http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/01/13/amd_m ... rm_launch/

Erm... q1 would be jan-feb-march, q2 is the next 3 months, etc...