Quake3World

Posted: **Sun Mar 26, 2006 7:56 pm**

I've been thinking about this and I think perhaps I've been going about things the wrong way. I've always been very blunt about my thoughts on religion and their long lasting effect on humankind and I think I may have realized something interesting. It is not JUST religion that causes unrest and many issues in the world but the evolution of mankind. We as a species are becomming more and more aware of our surroundings and as we become aware we fight back against ancient ideas and theory's that were obviously incorrect.

The social result of this of course is largescale disagreements between factions that beleive differently but it is not either factions fault but rather the evolution of one of the two factions that has determined the other to be incorrect. No matter what way you view this Correct or incorrect either way a social order will be established and peace will reign (somewhat) no matter what control mechanism is instituted. religion or otherwise.

So it is not religion that is to blame but our own self education as a species.

Posted: **Sun Mar 26, 2006 8:01 pm**

I didnt read any of that.

Posted: **Sun Mar 26, 2006 8:07 pm**

Posted: **Sun Mar 26, 2006 9:00 pm**

I got as far as "I've been thinking" and then I was laughing my ass off and the tears stopped me reading any of the rest :-(

Posted: **Sun Mar 26, 2006 9:03 pm**

ek wrote:I didnt read any of that.

It didn't make sense anyway.

Posted: **Sun Mar 26, 2006 9:05 pm**

people will always disagree.

and.

you answered you're own question.

Posted: **Sun Mar 26, 2006 9:13 pm**

It's not really a question but more of a discussion topic. I find it amusing to view something from as close to a neutral standpoint as you possibly can. I think you can see the thruths in things a lot easier. Not that what I'm saying above is a truth but it does have a certain idea behind it that's pretty interesting when you really concider it. kindof like one of those does the tree that falls in the woods make any noise if no one is around to hear it fall?

Posted: **Sun Mar 26, 2006 9:15 pm**

ek wrote:I didnt read any of that.

Posted: **Sun Mar 26, 2006 9:18 pm**

Kracus wrote:kindof like one of those does the tree that falls in the woods make any noise if no one is around to hear it fall?

Anyone who ponders that question in the literal sense is a knob.

Posted: **Sun Mar 26, 2006 9:27 pm**

Anyone that would ponder my statement seriously would be a knob as well transient I think that's the idea.

Posted: **Sun Mar 26, 2006 9:40 pm**

Do you know what the word religion means? It originates from the Latin word 'religare'; 're' means back and 'ligare' means to bind. In other words: religion connects you to your origin. That is it's purpose. The 'ideas' that are obviously wrong according to you are not the essence of religion, but only the interpretation of religion of many people during the last few thousand years.

I agree though that in this age, (for many people) science is probably closer to connecting man back to it's source than religion. I'm referring to Unification theories that describe the single source of all matter/energy, and Quantum mechanics touching the nature of consciousness. Things like that.

Posted: **Sun Mar 26, 2006 9:48 pm**

Sure that's exactly, so our education and convergence into science is what's causing most of the worlds issues today. Wars, bigotry, racism etc... But this is likely the same deal as when religion was "discovered" if you can call it that.

Posted: **Sun Mar 26, 2006 9:50 pm**

Transient wrote:
Kracus wrote:kindof like one of those does the tree that falls in the woods make any noise if no one is around to hear it fall?

Transient wrote:
Kracus wrote:kindof like one of those does the tree that falls in the woods make any noise if no one is around to hear it fall?
Anyone who ponders that question in the literal sense is a knob.

Yes a very interesting point to ponder Transient

Pretty deep, like the question are we really here or just think we are?

Kracus, you are onto something there.

I did see a TV special on some similar question on philosophy.

It's argued geography and not evolution or religion determines where and who survives and flourishes as a species and ultimately reigns.

Posted: **Sun Mar 26, 2006 9:51 pm**

Yeah that's true, but a lot of facism and hate is often fueled by religion, often differing religions. Usualy the one with more money (followers) usualy wins. Location certainly doesn't hurt though I fully agree, but then again you could say the idea of religion doesn't really have a location.

Posted: **Sun Mar 26, 2006 11:30 pm**

True indeed.

However it might seem that the older religions of the planet are based in the older areas, where mankind first gained a foothold. Common sense really.

Your point about the one with more money (followers) usually wins fits here too.

If you (your race/religion) have been there a while (thousands of years) in these geographical favourable locations, ie Europe and Middle East you might conceed religion is indeed geographically based? How well you do in an area supports you religion IMHO.

The starving in Africa, don't push their religious beliefs? Perhaps they are trying to survive in a harsh environment.

This observation falls down for the Far East :icon26:

Posted: **Mon Mar 27, 2006 12:47 am**

Kracus wrote:I've been thinking about this and I think perhaps I've been going about things the wrong way. I've always been very blunt about my thoughts on religion and their long lasting effect on humankind and I think I may have realized something interesting. It is not JUST religion that causes unrest and many issues in the world but the evolution of mankind. We as a species are becomming more and more aware of our surroundings and as we become aware we fight back against ancient ideas and theory's that were obviously incorrect.

The social result of this of course is largescale disagreements between factions that beleive differently but it is not either factions fault but rather the evolution of one of the two factions that has determined the other to be incorrect. No matter what way you view this Correct or incorrect either way a social order will be established and peace will reign (somewhat) no matter what control mechanism is instituted. religion or otherwise.

So it is not religion that is to blame but our own self education as a species.

You've caught up. A+!

Posted: **Mon Mar 27, 2006 12:59 am**

i used to fuck guys like kracus back in the 1920's and 30's...

Posted: **Mon Mar 27, 2006 2:48 am**

**yawn** wake me up when something smart happens

Posted: **Mon Mar 27, 2006 1:21 pm**

lol I didn't read any of this but I'm sure its all about sucrak drilling to the core of the problem.

Posted: **Mon Mar 27, 2006 1:31 pm**

back in the day, the cavemen who were arguing over which rock to worship would never have thought to bang the rocks together.

Posted: **Mon Mar 27, 2006 1:54 pm**

First sucrak asks questions about science (something he knows nothing about) and now he's asking questions about religion (something he knows nothing about unless he's screaming "Oh God!" while masturbating).

Why do I get the feeling that somehow the idiot will ask about "the Unifying Theory that makes science and intelligent design work together peacefully".....cause he can't find it on the one thing sucrak does read: cereal boxes.

Posted: **Tue Mar 28, 2006 2:08 am**

Kracus wrote:Sure that's exactly, so our education and convergence into science is what's causing most of the worlds issues today. Wars, bigotry, racism etc... But this is likely the same deal as when religion was "discovered" if you can call it that.

I think you're turning it around. Religion was in it's purest form before it was written down. The purity of those secret teachings (as far as they were included in the scriptures at all) degraded more and more over time. You're mistaking the influence of religion with the abuse of the superficial values of religion.

Posted: **Tue Mar 28, 2006 3:25 am**

HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:Just when you thought kracus couldn't make any less sense, he starts taking lsd...

Seems like he's on a downward slope. :icon26:

Posted: **Tue Mar 28, 2006 3:28 am**

Just when you thought kracus couldn't make any less sense, he starts taking lsd...

Posted: **Tue Mar 28, 2006 9:42 am**

I've always held the belief that philosophy is mostly a hopeless, depressing waste of time & effort. A bit like religion, or hoping that Strangler is actually a normal person.

It's all unproductive idle chatter about completely unprovable things... it passes the time, but christ what's the point.

Quake3World

Is religion the problem?

Is religion the problem?

well uhmm

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