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For a sum of money, let's say $2000, would you take part in a Satanic ritual where you allow a group of Satanists (who are well noted and respected in the Satanic community - not just a couple of kiddies with ouija boards) to perform a ritual on you (no physical harm would come to you or any other person invloved in the ritual) which would allegedly give Satan complete ownership of your soul and ensure that when you die you spend eternity suffering in hell?

This one thinks like a Lawyer too.

yeah, even for less if they dont do anything nasty to me.

ok, let me get this straight.
1. satan is an invocation of modern christianity.
2. one of modern christianity's big claims to fame is the ability to repent at any minute, any time of day and suddenly have another ticket for the all you can eat glory buffet.
so, looks like win-win in this unlikely scenario, ace.

Depends if I needed the money.

Yeah, sure. If you're an Atheist what would it hurt?

ToxicBug wrote:yeah, even for less if they dont do anything nasty to me.

Agreeing with Toxic. :icon14:

Yep. I would also take along a baseball bat and bring the retards closer to Satan.

We've got another Kracus here folks.

lol. i take offence at that.

If you wouldnt do this for any slight fearful reason then Agnosticism would be the prevailing mindset. Athiest implies the denial of supernatural beings as seen in religion. I'm not sure if that implies a lack of spirituality, but it treads in those waters. I'd expect a true athiest to do the ritual, but an agnostic person would hesitate for the sake of "what if" based on a subconscious doubt. Then again, these mindsets are also dependent on how much someone is willing to pay. Many people have their price.

Canis wrote:If you wouldnt do this for any slight fearful reason then Agnosticism would be the prevailing mindset. Athiest implies the denial of supernatural beings as seen in religion. I'm not sure if that implies a lack of spirituality, but it treads in those waters. I'd expect a true athiest to do the ritual, but an agnostic person would hesitate for the sake of "what if" based on a subconscious doubt. Then again, these mindsets are also dependent on how much someone is willing to pay. Many people have their price.

Personally, I went from religeous to agnostic to atheist. It wouldn't bother me at all to do it.

I ask this question because I've always considered myself Atheist. But then I envisioned the scenario which I initially posted and I can't come to a decision as to whether I would take part in the ritual or not, and wondered how other supposed Atheists felt. I keep thinking "yeah but... what if?". I guess I'm somewhere between an Atheist and an Agnostic.

I see myself as a bit spiritual, and like to believe in certain things, but I do not like organized religion and do not believe in a god/devil at all. As such I see myself as more "weak/soft/neutral athiest" than a "strong/hard athiest". I'd feel fucking odd in such a ritual, so that would be the only thing that would cause me to hesitate, but for $2000 I'd probably do it.

Law wrote:I ask this question because I've always considered myself Atheist. But then I envisioned the scenario which I initially posted and I can't come to a decision as to whether I would take part in the ritual or not, and wondered how other supposed Atheists felt. I keep thinking "yeah but... what if?". I guess I'm somewhere between an Atheist and an Agnostic.

Check out the definitions and discussions about athiesm and agnosticism in Wikipedia. There are variations of each that drive on different approaches to the overall attitude of each:

Weak athiesm: not believing because there's been no reason to
Strong athiesm: the assertion of no god existing

Weak agnosticism: believing for now it is unknown, but not inherently unknowable
Strong agnosticism: asserting its impossible or meaningless to say whether or not there is a god

I think that for $2000 it's still a hard decision for me to participate in any relgious ritual

Why so?

Canis wrote:

Law wrote:I ask this question because I've always considered myself Atheist. But then I envisioned the scenario which I initially posted and I can't come to a decision as to whether I would take part in the ritual or not, and wondered how other supposed Atheists felt. I keep thinking "yeah but... what if?". I guess I'm somewhere between an Atheist and an Agnostic.

Check out the definitions and discussions about athiesm and agnosticism in Wikipedia. There are variations of each that drive on different approaches to the overall attitude of each:

Weak athiesm: not believing because there's been no reason to
Strong athiesm: the assertion of no god existing

Weak agnosticism: believing for now it is unknown, but not inherently unknowable
Strong agnosticism: asserting its impossible or meaningless to say whether or not there is a god

What classification would you place upon someone who believes there is no God, but wouldn't take part in such a ritual just in case there is?

Canis wrote:Why so?

Because they're boring and uncomfortable @_@

Law wrote:

Canis wrote:

Law wrote:I ask this question because I've always considered myself Atheist. But then I envisioned the scenario which I initially posted and I can't come to a decision as to whether I would take part in the ritual or not, and wondered how other supposed Atheists felt. I keep thinking "yeah but... what if?". I guess I'm somewhere between an Atheist and an Agnostic.

Check out the definitions and discussions about athiesm and agnosticism in Wikipedia. There are variations of each that drive on different approaches to the overall attitude of each:

Weak athiesm: not believing because there's been no reason to
Strong athiesm: the assertion of no god existing

Weak agnosticism: believing for now it is unknown, but not inherently unknowable
Strong agnosticism: asserting its impossible or meaningless to say whether or not there is a god

What classification would you place upon someone who believes there is no God, but wouldn't take part in such a ritual just in case there is?

Well, the belief in there being no god would imply some form of athiesm because its not a matter of not caring or or not knowing. As far as the nonparticipation to keep a loophole open, that would imply more of a current mindset of not having a reason to, but being open to it if it were to come up, so I'd personally see this as a "weak athiesm" form of belief. I'm sure each category can be broken down further and further for the sake of specificity, but that would just get silly after a while.

feedback wrote:

Canis wrote:Why so?

Because they're boring and uncomfortable @_@

Uncomfortable? Why would they be uncomfortable?

Canis wrote:

Law wrote:

Canis wrote: Check out the definitions and discussions about athiesm and agnosticism in Wikipedia. There are variations of each that drive on different approaches to the overall attitude of each:

Weak athiesm: not believing because there's been no reason to
Strong athiesm: the assertion of no god existing

Weak agnosticism: believing for now it is unknown, but not inherently unknowable
Strong agnosticism: asserting its impossible or meaningless to say whether or not there is a god

What classification would you place upon someone who believes there is no God, but wouldn't take part in such a ritual just in case there is?

Well, the belief in there being no god would imply some form of athiesm because its not a matter of not caring or or not knowing. As far as the nonparticipation to keep a loophole open, that would imply more of a current mindset of not having a reason to, but being open to it if it were to come up, so I'd personally see this as a "weak athiesm" form of belief. I'm sure each category can be broken down further and further for the sake of specificity, but that would just get silly after a while.

Sounds about right.

Canis wrote:

feedback wrote:

Canis wrote:Why so?

Because they're boring and uncomfortable @_@

Uncomfortable? Why would they be uncomfortable?

Spending an hour doing something you dislike and are very bored with makes you uncomfortable.

Yes but the $2000 for 1 hours work should make you comfortable.