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chickenhawks exposed...crushed...

Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 4:05 pm
by Freakaloin

Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 4:35 pm
by phantasmagoria
i thought this was an ornithology thread :(

Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 5:04 pm
by Dave
Ignoring all the issues of draft dodging and string pulling, why does military service have to be a prerequisite for holding legitimate high office?

Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 5:08 pm
by phantasmagoria
twisted sense of patriotism maybe?

Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 6:38 pm
by Ryoki
Dave wrote:Ignoring all the issues of draft dodging and string pulling, why does military service have to be a prerequisite for holding legitimate high office?
War is sweet to those that did not experience it.

Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 6:49 pm
by Big Kahuna Burger
Dave wrote:Ignoring all the issues of draft dodging and string pulling, why does military service have to be a prerequisite for holding legitimate high office?
Exactly. Clinton never served. Why should it matter?

"We want peace! Say no to war! but you can't be our president without fighting in a war!"

Re: chickenhawks exposed...crushed...

Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 7:03 pm
by seremtan
In another time and place, some of today's not-so-brave might have elbowed little old ladies and children out of the way to secure a berth on the last lifeboat on the Titanic, or maybe they''d have ratted out resistance fighters to the Gestapo in WW2 France.
told :icon14:

Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 7:31 pm
by Dave
Ryoki wrote:
Dave wrote:Ignoring all the issues of draft dodging and string pulling, why does military service have to be a prerequisite for holding legitimate high office?
War is sweet to those that did not experience it.
I'm not sure what you mean by "sweet" (cool, romantic, easy, etc), but that's got nothing to do with it either. It's kind of a broad assumption to make that those who do not experience war find it sweet. Making war isn't the only business of a politician.

Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 7:46 pm
by Freakaloin
Dave wrote:
I'm not sure what you mean by "sweet" (cool, romantic, easy, etc), but that's got nothing to do with it either.

sure it does dave...don't be a moron...

Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 7:53 pm
by Dave
Why geoff? or is "don't be a moron" the best reply you can come up with?

Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 7:54 pm
by StormShadow
Dave wrote:Ignoring all the issues of draft dodging and string pulling, why does military service have to be a prerequisite for holding legitimate high office?
If someone is going to send people off to fight and die in a war, I would feel much knowing that they had actually been there themselves and truly understand all the reprecussions of sending people to their deaths.

Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 7:56 pm
by Dave
So Americans need to manufacture wars in order to keep our capitols stocked with war experienced politicians?

Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 7:58 pm
by Freakaloin
wow dave...ur amazingly retarded...

Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 7:59 pm
by Dave
no u

Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 8:01 pm
by StormShadow
No.

But I would trust a guy who has been there and done that to have his finger on the button more so than a guy who was on a bender during his entire military service.

Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 8:04 pm
by Dave
Well there's your problem, you're assuming that I'm talking about Bush...

Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 8:06 pm
by StormShadow
no, just using that as an example

Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 8:10 pm
by Dave
So Bush did some military service... see where that got us. Like my originial post said:

"Why does military service have to be a prerequisite for holding legitimate high office?"

That qualification seems to be irrelevant...

Here's an idea. If the military industrial complex is such a money drain on the US economy, lets keep putting people in office with ties to the military.

Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 8:13 pm
by Freakaloin
lol dave...the military complex has kept americas economy out of a whole since 2001...dumbo...

Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 8:15 pm
by phantasmagoria
lol, whole.

adult education class :icon10:

Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 8:16 pm
by Dave
The problem is that it worked... Too well. Now America has helped foster so much global comeptition that we're struggling to keep up. So now we pump more money into the military than we do into things like education becuase the dollar no longer commands world wide respect on its own. Now we supplement dollar diplomacy with military strength. That's not the way to run an empire.

Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 8:19 pm
by Freakaloin
nah...its more germany in the 20's printing money trying to keep their economy from crashing...its almost over...

Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 8:28 pm
by Dave
Image

Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 10:36 pm
by Freakaloin
u mean the treasury printing money like theres no tomorrow is a conspiracy? rofl@themoron...

Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 11:46 pm
by tnf
Dave wrote:Ignoring all the issues of draft dodging and string pulling, why does military service have to be a prerequisite for holding legitimate high office?
I agree for most offices, but I really do think that there is something to be said for the commander in chief having some real military experience...I don't think that a lack of military experience would necessarily make you an ineffective leader though, so I don't think it should be a prerequisite...

Perhaps part of the issue people have is that it often seems like the military is the only option many people have for obtaining an education, and the consequence of that decision now is that they are put into a very unpopular war, while the sons and daughters of most of the people who made the decision to send them there are safely tucked away at universities. (that isn't necessarily my opinion, just an observation...I'm avoiding political arguments for awhile...)


Are there any statistics about how many of the senate and congress's kids are actively serving in Iraq?